Well, the Reds just made a move that COULD make them again the NL North champs next year by moving Chapman from irrelevant SU man to starter.

He's got Verlander and Strasburg type stuff. If he can become a dominant starter, with Cueto, Volquez coming back and pitching like he has, Homer Bailey's potential and then the 3-4-3/4 type starters they have, they have the POTENTIAL to have a dominant starting rotation.

Thoughts?

He won't last an entire season. His arm will give out. Throwing that hard for for 6-7 innings and that close to 30-32 times a season?

He got arm fatigue last year while in the bullpen. Imagine what happens as a starter.

Hopefully Shark gets a chance in chicago too. The only thing Chapman has going against him is dusty baker. I really dont know how to judge fatigue. Throwing every day or two or three days in a row compared to shutting down 2 days, getting a side session and resting again as a starter might help some fatigue issues. Even if it doesnt work, the reds and pirates seem to have the best group of starters.

Indianplaya17 wrote:He won't last an entire season. His arm will give out. Throwing that hard for for 6-7 innings and that close to 30-32 times a season?

He got arm fatigue last year while in the bullpen. Imagine what happens as a starter.

You really think he's going to force himself to throw 105 when he starts? He'll back himself down to the upper 90's. It'll be interesting for sure!

Indianplaya17 wrote:He won't last an entire season. His arm will give out. Throwing that hard for for 6-7 innings and that close to 30-32 times a season?

He got arm fatigue last year while in the bullpen. Imagine what happens as a starter.

He got arm fatigue because they took him from a starter to a reliever, they put him in the pen where he could throw every day, he was up and down. That caused the arm fatigue.


Second, yes, please use some semblance of common sense. Relievers always throw harder as a reliever than as a starter. Greinke could come in for one inning and throw 96-97 I would guess.


Now he might not last an entire season, but you could say that about literally any pitcher in baseball and have a pretty good chance of being right, so that's just a pointless statement.

And he's always been a starter, so arm fatigue may well be fixed by a schedule, such as the one he was used to.

anotheridiot wrote:Hopefully Shark gets a chance in chicago too. The only thing Chapman has going against him is dusty baker. I really dont know how to judge fatigue. Throwing every day or two or three days in a row compared to shutting down 2 days, getting a side session and resting again as a starter might help some fatigue issues. Even if it doesnt work, the reds and pirates seem to have the best group of starters.

Waaaait a second, better than who? NOT the Cards and NOT the Brewers who both have their whole staffs coming back next year, PLUS a Cy Young winner in Adam Wainwright, and a top prospect in Wily Peralta potentially being added.

To throw the Pirates in with the "best group of starters," is just....insane. I really might even take Wandy, Bud Norris and Brett Meyers over the fucking Pirates starters.

I think the Reds had to do this, but I'm not sure it is going to work out. He has some major control issues. If he can figure it out he could re ridiculously good though.

Fuck the Reds. Dusty Baker will kill his arm just like hes already killing Volquez's and it's just a matter of time before Cueto will feel his wrath too. I keep trying to tell these bandwagoning ass-clowns around where I live that Dusty is the exact opposite of the kind of manager they need for how they wanna win and thats with small ball and young pitching but all I hear is how they are the best thing since sliced bread. Big whoop, they had one lucky year due to an insane amount of comeback wins, this year showed about what they really are a medicore .500 or slightly below team.

Goathater1328 wrote:Fuck the Reds. Dusty Baker will kill his arm just like hes already killing Volquez's and it's just a matter of time before Cueto will feel his wrath too. I keep trying to tell these bandwagoning ass-clowns around where I live that Dusty is the exact opposite of the kind of manager they need for how they wanna win and thats with small ball and young pitching but all I hear is how they are the best thing since sliced bread. Big whoop, they had one lucky year due to an insane amount of comeback wins, this year showed about what they really are a medicore .500 or slightly below team.

First of all, Shut the fuck up with the "fuck the Reds shit." You're overcompensating. WE get it. You're a bandwagon fan, and now you're trying to prove you're NOT a Reds fan. Congrats. You're overdoing it and looking like an douche in the process.

Second, how the fuck is HE ruining anyone in Cincy's arm? They've been ultra conservative with those pitchers. Neither have pitched 200 innings and the only time one came close was Volquez when they were in a playoff race. Innings kinda go out the window when you're trying to win a World Series.


You've got this habit of just ignoring facts and reverting back to what happened almost 10 years ago and then just blindly applying it as fact now without any basis. The only pitcher to throw 200 innings on the Reds was Arroyo who has a long history of doing it and even he didn't hit 200(199 or so).


So you're just totally babbling here.

Goathater1328 wrote:Fuck the Reds. Dusty Baker will kill his arm just like hes already killing Volquez's and it's just a matter of time before Cueto will feel his wrath too. I keep trying to tell these bandwagoning ass-clowns around where I live that Dusty is the exact opposite of the kind of manager they need for how they wanna win and thats with small ball and young pitching but all I hear is how they are the best thing since sliced bread. Big whoop, they had one lucky year due to an insane amount of comeback wins, this year showed about what they really are a medicore .500 or slightly below team.

Oh, and your nonsense new "anti-Red" stance is so fucking ignorant.

They've got TWO top 100 prospects at catcher. Name me another team with two? Don't think Romine is and Montero isn't really a catcher.

Second, they've still got a loaded farm system and they had a very down year this year.

They have a load of talent.



If I'm the Reds, I move Chapman to the rotation as your #2 to ease the pressure, go Cueto/Bailey/Chapman/Bailey and then any one of their 6 other 3/4 type starters. This way you have the potential to have 4 ace like pitchers but you only put pressure on the one guy coming off the huge year.

They also make the move at catcher and probably have the 2nd best in the division behind Soto next year in Devin Mesoraco who could be an all star. Or they trade him and go with ANOTHER top 100 catcher in Grandal.

They also have Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, Drew Stubbs, Brandon Philliips, Cosart at short who's gonna be a VERY good shortstop, and a rotation that could be just.......incredible. If things fall right.



So telling the Reds they don't have hope is about as stupid as it gets. The Reds have the talent to win 100 games next year if things go right.

Tell me which of these is unrealistic;
1-Cueto 15-ish wins 2.75 ERA(a higher ERA than this year)
2-Homer Bailey 15 wins 3.15 ERA
3-Champman-Anywhere from a disaster to 20 wins 2.35 ERA
4-Volquez 17 wins 3.20 ERA now that he's a full two years back from TJ.
5-Mike Leak 12-15 wins 3.75 ERA(about what he did this year).
6-Bronson Arroyo-13 wins 4.00 ERA(what he's AVERAGED while in Cincy)
7-Travis Wood- 24 years old with a 4.14 ERA at 22 and 23 years old at your number fucking SEVEN pitcher.



So we know they already have a good offense.
We know they've got a DEEP rotation with incredible potential(not saying they'll all reach those numbers, but you find ONE guy who's not capable of easily BEATING those numbers).

And they've got 5 guys in the top 100 prospects of all of baseball and money to spend.



So you, a CUBS fan, a fan of a team that won what, 55 games, is trying to tell a REDS fan, one year removed from the playoffs who sees it's two biggest rivals with HUGE questions marks to their best players(though Prince is now our 2nd best) and with everything they've got going, you really think they're delusional in thinking they have a chance next year?


You just prove you're a fucking idiot time and time again.

Chapman has been playing ball all winter. I'm sure he will be much improved this season. No he won't be able to throw for 105 for six straight innings but I'm positive he can go high 90's for five.

jwmann2 wrote:Chapman has been playing ball all winter.

He has been pitching all winter? That sounds like a terrible idea.