Actually much better than I thought it was going to be, 1 year and only $8M.

wow, thats a steal, considering what some of these closers are going for. NICE!!!!!!

I wonder if he signed for lower with the understanding that he would be dealt? I mean not many teams are going to pay the $13 million orginally projected. I am assuming he still doesn't really want to be here unless he's closing? But then again, I don't really think that this makes much sense because you would think he could have got close to this on the open market.

bk24 wrote:I wonder if he signed for lower with the understanding that he would be dealt? I mean not many teams are going to pay the $13 million orginally projected. I am assuming he still doesn't really want to be here unless he's closing? But then again, I don't really think that this makes much sense because you would think he could have got close to this on the open market.

I don't think the possibility of him being dealt had anything to do with it. I mean he could've signed a 1 year $13 million contract, and the Brewers could've still traded him. The market dictated why he accepted arb. There really isn't that big of money going around for closers, and every team that needed a closer found one before KRod's contract situation was resolved. I don't see any chance KRod was going to get over $10 mill in arb, so this deal makes a ton of sense from both parties involved.

I like it.

That's not bad and you have to consider if he would have declined arby we would have had to dedicate $2-$3M in signing bonuses for his picks. So the net cost of this over him declining is really only about $5-$6M on a one year deal, pretty modest for keeping the back end of our bullpen in tact.

People need to stop referring to him as a "closer." He's not. He's not good enough to be a closer anymore. And $8 million for a setup man is still not a good deal, much less a "steal."

His numbers last year are very in line with his career averages so I don't know how it can be said that he's not good enough to be a closer anywhere. He's not the closer in Milwaukee because we have a better option.

I hate the very idea of limiting a player to a particular inning just because that's how it's done anyway.

Scoots0303 wrote:People need to stop referring to him as a "closer." He's not. He's not good enough to be a closer anymore. And $8 million for a setup man is still not a good deal, much less a "steal."

I think that's a very arrogant comment. He's not good enough to be a closer? Are you kidding? He's still only 30 and has some great stuff. I know he's not the best closer in baseball, or even on our team for that matter, but I assure you he is better than at least 10 other team's closers. To say that he's not good enough to be a closer anymore is just stupid.

You guys saw the way that guy pitched last season. That "style" won't hold up, just like a hitter's inflated batting average inevitably going down once his BABIP returns to a normal level.

And I think that's exactly the reason he's not on another team right now, ready to close baseball games in 2012.

Scoots0303 wrote:You guys saw the way that guy pitched last season. That "style" won't hold up, just like a hitter's inflated batting average inevitably going down once his BABIP returns to a normal level.

And I think that's exactly the reason he's not on another team right now, ready to close baseball games in 2012.

All that "style" did was earn him the season record for saves with the Angels.

Scoots0303 wrote:That "style" won't hold up

That style, a live bullpen arm, almost never holds up unless you have the best cutter anyone has ever thrown.

As medic and shirt have said, yeah all logic says it won't hold up. But it's held up for over 5 years already, no reason to think this year will be the one it finally ends.

For our purposes it does not matter whether he is a worthy closer or not because he is going to be our setup man, and it's hard to argue that he won't be worth the $8M to us.

Last season we were 49-43 before we acquired K-Rod and 47-23 after. Obviously he wasn't the only factor in the turnaround but it absolutely made a tremendous difference. When you look at the value of K-Rod, you have to look beyond exactly what he did in the 29 innings he gave us. He kept previously blown 7th and later leads from going in the L column, and helped keep the rest of the pen fresh and therefore made them stronger as well. It also allowed a guy like Loe to move into a much, much more suited role for him of ROOGY/groundball specialist.

You almost have to throw out sabermetrics in this argument and consider the logic, but how many wins do you think we save in a full season by having K-Rod in that 8th inning vs the guy who you know it would be otherwise, Kameron Loe?

I agree. WAR is pretty much worthless when you have a manager like Retard Ron. Not giving him options doesn't just give you the value of that 8th inning guy at the amount of innings pitched. It also removes part of RRs ability to fuck up in a high leverage situation.

Not the most economical fix to the problem, but a fix non the less.

Scoots0303 wrote:You guys saw the way that guy pitched last season. That "style" won't hold up, just like a hitter's inflated batting average inevitably going down once his BABIP returns to a normal level.

And I think that's exactly the reason he's not on another team right now, ready to close baseball games in 2012.

I often read your posts, such as this one in which you basically stay, that "style," won't hold up. Sure, he's had several superior years, put it wont hold up.


Jeus Fucking Christ Scots, how long did it take for your Grandpa to buy a TV because he thought it was a fad?

What?

LOL

Scoots0303 wrote:What?

I'm basically saying that it must run in the family. It must take a long time for simple things to sink in for people like you guys. Hence the, joke about "how long did it take for your Grandpa to buy a TV because he thought it was a fad. Meaning, how long did it take for him to buy into something that was painfully obvious?

Nothing changed with K-rod last year, and I have no idea what fucking "style," you're talking about other than having TWO dominant secondary pitchers as opposed to ONE for most.