What's the contingency plan?

Oh let me say first off, I think we should give Gamel plenty of time to win the everyday 1B job. Meaning until at least May, regardless of his stats we shouldn't be hearing about any controversy at 1B.

That said, not sure where we'd go from there. You're not going to play a guy like Brooks Conrad every day. So you could either A) move Ramirez to 1st and give Taylor Green the every day gig at 3rd, or B) Move Hart to 1st and go with an everyday outfield of Braun + 2 of Gomez/Aoki/Morgan.

I think you said the first two plans. What they go with might depend on how Green or Aoki start the season. If one guy struggles and the other doesn't, they probably make the move to get the 2nd guy on the field more.

Personally, I hope they don't make a permanent move until well after May. If Gamel really is struggling, maybe reduce him to 4/5 starts a week in May, but at this point with how we've handled him, I can't blame him for looking over his shoulder at any struggle. And that is the last thing I want him doing.

Taylor Green is the backup plan.

Gamel should get until more than May, but I think this is pretty well covered. Green to 3rd with Ramirez sliding over or Hart to 1st with Akoi in RF and Braun should be playing by then no matter what. You have two easy options in house and can pick whichever one gets the hottest players on the field.

Re: If Braun breaks his legs.


Who fucking cares. Heretonow he hasn't, so what?

Fan174 wrote:Re: If Braun breaks his legs.


Who fucking cares. Heretonow he hasn't, so what?

Do you wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and think, "How can I be an asshole today?" Half of the fucking shit that people talk about on message boards is based on hypothetical "what-if" scenarios and the possible actions that could result from it.

I guess I could probably do the same thing....ah, yes I could, here we go:

Re: Potential sell off if Brewers struggle this year

Who fucking cares. Heretonow we haven't, so what?

Now, go ahead and proceed to tell me about how that's totally different....or....OR...you could just choose not to comment on a thread/subject that you have no opinion on.

Agreed adambr, as Gamel is a question mark going into the season. Now if you were to say what if Braun is a bust this year in LF I would say it's a fucking pointless topic.

Fan was being a dick, that being said, you already knew the answer to the question of backup plan at first.

dusters wrote:Fan was being a dick, that being said, you already knew the answer to the question of backup plan at first.

Actually there are several courses of action they could do ....Ramirez at 1st, Hart at 1st...promote Ishikawa if he's doing well in AAA, trade, etc. It's not cut and dry.

adambr2 wrote:

dusters wrote:Fan was being a dick, that being said, you already knew the answer to the question of backup plan at first.

Actually there are several courses of action they could do ....Ramirez at 1st, Hart at 1st...promote Ishikawa if he's doing well in AAA, trade, etc. It's not cut and dry.

You are correct that there are multiple options available to Roenicke. I'm just hoping that Gamel comes through this year, so there is no need to move guys all around. I do however think that Ramirez to 1B is a last resort move. I mean he has been a 3B man for how many years now and we just think he would be more than willing to move to 1B? I mean we know that Brewers management likes to have good relationships with it's players, but I think this is a type of move that could make that relationship way more complicated.

I actually think that the Brewers upper management would move Hart to 1B before Ramirez. I mean he was the first player the Brewers talked to when it came to finding someone to split time with Gamel. He's been preparing since September to play some 1B in case Fielder left? They have to be leaning this way.

“I didn’t think I was going to be a first baseman again, but you never know,” he said. “You see a lot of guys that play outfield who came up as an infielder, and there’s always a chance you can go back and mess around once in a while. I kind of thought there might be a chance in the future that I might be stuck over there again. I thought I’d go over there and mess around a few times this year. Practice is one thing, but you definitely need some game time experience to get comfortable over there.”

http://brewersbeat.mlblogs.com/2012/01/ ... irst-base/

adambr2 wrote:

dusters wrote:Fan was being a dick, that being said, you already knew the answer to the question of backup plan at first.

Actually there are several courses of action they could do ....Ramirez at 1st, Hart at 1st...promote Ishikawa if he's doing well in AAA, trade, etc. It's not cut and dry.

That's my point. The plan is to put in whoever is playing well at the time.

adambr2 wrote:

Fan174 wrote:Re: If Braun breaks his legs.


Who fucking cares. Heretonow he hasn't, so what?

Do you wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and think, "How can I be an asshole today?" Half of the fucking shit that people talk about on message boards is based on hypothetical "what-if" scenarios and the possible actions that could result from it.

I guess I could probably do the same thing....ah, yes I could, here we go:

Re: Potential sell off if Brewers struggle this year

Who fucking cares. Heretonow we haven't, so what?

Now, go ahead and proceed to tell me about how that's totally different....or....OR...you could just choose not to comment on a thread/subject that you have no opinion on.

Whatever, lets just keep pouring over Gamel and his potential downfall before he's been given a chance to be given a starting job.

Check that, before he's been given a chance to succeed at the job he's EARNED.


I get what you're doing, boards dead, lets talk about the Brewers, your posts are always thoughtful, but the whole "if," Gamel fails, given the lack of credit in him, reads more to me as a "when," Gamel will fail type thread, and I have to say, I'm really getting sick of hearing about all the Gamel at 1st question marks.


So...I apologize, valid question, but one I've just heard so many fucking times and am just eager to see him given a real chance before us as fans start going down this road.

And yes, I have done the same things. Ie, if we start out so poorly without Braun, Prince, Aram being a slow starter, and Gamel getting his first crack that I did start a "what if," type question about what it would take for the Brewers to sorta start over.

So not trying to be a hypocrite, it's just.....we've REALLY been down this road. Perhaps it's all the question marks on WSSP and the ignorant comments from those who give too much credibility to his limited exposure.

Macha Man wrote:Agreed adambr, as Gamel is a question mark going into the season. Now if you were to say what if Braun is a bust this year in LF I would say it's a fucking pointless topic.

Yes, but my point was everytime the Brewers are brought up, it's the Mat Gamel and 1B as the reasons the Brewers won't do anything.

I'm more concerned that the Brewers impact hitters on offense are too RH. In the past, they've had the big LH bat in Prince, so it wasn't quite as big of an issue as it could be this year.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get a somewhat bad feeling on the Ramirez signing instead of going with LH hitting Green at 3rd. Although the depth with Green on the bench should help.

They already had the punch from the RH hitting side (Braun, Weeks, Hart). Gamel & Green both in the lineup with them could help create a deep balanced lineup.

Fan174 wrote:

adambr2 wrote:

Fan174 wrote:Re: If Braun breaks his legs.


Who fucking cares. Heretonow he hasn't, so what?

Do you wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and think, "How can I be an asshole today?" Half of the fucking shit that people talk about on message boards is based on hypothetical "what-if" scenarios and the possible actions that could result from it.

I guess I could probably do the same thing....ah, yes I could, here we go:

Re: Potential sell off if Brewers struggle this year

Who fucking cares. Heretonow we haven't, so what?

Now, go ahead and proceed to tell me about how that's totally different....or....OR...you could just choose not to comment on a thread/subject that you have no opinion on.

Whatever, lets just keep pouring over Gamel and his potential downfall before he's been given a chance to be given a starting job.

Check that, before he's been given a chance to succeed at the job he's EARNED.


I get what you're doing, boards dead, lets talk about the Brewers, your posts are always thoughtful, but the whole "if," Gamel fails, given the lack of credit in him, reads more to me as a "when," Gamel will fail type thread, and I have to say, I'm really getting sick of hearing about all the Gamel at 1st question marks.


So...I apologize, valid question, but one I've just heard so many fucking times and am just eager to see him given a real chance before us as fans start going down this road.

And yes, I have done the same things. Ie, if we start out so poorly without Braun, Prince, Aram being a slow starter, and Gamel getting his first crack that I did start a "what if," type question about what it would take for the Brewers to sorta start over.

So not trying to be a hypocrite, it's just.....we've REALLY been down this road. Perhaps it's all the question marks on WSSP and the ignorant comments from those who give too much credibility to his limited exposure.

No offense taken, I think Gamel will be fine, just more trying to stir up whatever topics we can Brewer related just to initiate some sort of discussion on here.

bobadgers wrote:I'm more concerned that the Brewers impact hitters on offense are too RH. In the past, they've had the big LH bat in Prince, so it wasn't quite as big of an issue as it could be this year.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get a somewhat bad feeling on the Ramirez signing instead of going with LH hitting Green at 3rd. Although the depth with Green on the bench should help.

They already had the punch from the RH hitting side (Braun, Weeks, Hart). Gamel & Green both in the lineup with them could help create a deep balanced lineup.

Does a too righthanded or lefthanded lineup really matter though? If they're good hitters, what's the difference?

We've seen an almost entirely lefthanded hitting Phillies lineup win a World Series and go to another. Hell, the Cubs of 2007 and 2008, when they were freaking awesome, were all right handed with Soriano, Lee and Ramirez. I don't see a concern at all.

Scoots0303 wrote:

bobadgers wrote:I'm more concerned that the Brewers impact hitters on offense are too RH. In the past, they've had the big LH bat in Prince, so it wasn't quite as big of an issue as it could be this year.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get a somewhat bad feeling on the Ramirez signing instead of going with LH hitting Green at 3rd. Although the depth with Green on the bench should help.

They already had the punch from the RH hitting side (Braun, Weeks, Hart). Gamel & Green both in the lineup with them could help create a deep balanced lineup.

Does a too righthanded or lefthanded lineup really matter though? If they're good hitters, what's the difference?

We've seen an almost entirely lefthanded hitting Phillies lineup win a World Series and go to another. Hell, the Cubs of 2007 and 2008, when they were freaking awesome, were all right handed with Soriano, Lee and Ramirez. I don't see a concern at all.

The Phillies also had Pat Burrell 33 HR's, .875 OPS, Jimmy Rollins, the MVP, Jason Werth who had a big year as well. Not to mention others. The Cubs, that was a huge part of the reason they didn't win it all, not having lefties.

The problem with an all RH lineup is that they really struggle against the good RH pitchers. It also makes you go LH heavy on the bench, sometimes limiting your options late in games.

dusters wrote:The problem with an all RH lineup is that they really struggle against the good RH pitchers. It also makes you go LH heavy on the bench, sometimes limiting your options late in games.

Agree. When you have the impact LH slugger of Prince in the lineup, it's not quite as important. But, not having him anymore makes it more important IMO to have a more balanced lineup. Having TPlush/Gamel/Green to go along with Braun/Weeks/Hart makes it more balanced. I've been concerned about it in the past because the Brewers have always been more RH hitting heavy, but I'm more concerned without Prince in the lineup as the HUGE impact LH bat.

Ramirez has always been productive. But, he's aging and the extremely RH hitting lineup concerns me. Plus, Braun will be pitched to differently without Prince behind him. A tough RH starter (Or reliever) will be more willing to throw Braun crap hoping he swings at it knowing Ramirez is after him (Another RH hitter).

Ramirez usually starts the season slowly. If both Ramirez and Gamel struggle, they better give Gamel as long of a leash. It's going to suck too if Ramirez continues to struggle with Green sitting on the bench. That contract will make it that the Brewers will stick with him if his age/body make it so he declines offensively very quickly this year.

I'm mentally preparing myself for lots of 3-2 and 4-3 games if Brauny is out.