Of Peralta, Thornburg, Jungmann, and Bradley, who of these four (if any) are likely to crack the rotation in 2013?

Bradley doesn't project considerably high but Jungmann could be a #2. Both are more MLB-ready than most "projects" that you'll see, and may have been drafted with exactly 2013-14 in mind.

Re-signing Greinke would be huge because then you've still got your aces at the top, and our rotation is likely to get a lot younger in 2013, but a couple of these guys have top of the rotation ceilings so it will be a matter of seeing who does indeed pan out.

Peralta and Thornburg are probably the closest and it may be more of a surprise if both AREN'T in the 2013 rotation.

adambr2 wrote:Of Peralta, Thornburg, Jungmann, and Bradley, who of these four (if any) are likely to crack the rotation in 2013?

Bradley doesn't project considerably high but Jungmann could be a #2. Both are more MLB-ready than most "projects" that you'll see, and may have been drafted with exactly 2013-14 in mind.

Re-signing Greinke would be huge because then you've still got your aces at the top, and our rotation is likely to get a lot younger in 2013, but a couple of these guys have top of the rotation ceilings so it will be a matter of seeing who does indeed pan out.

Peralta and Thornburg are probably the closest and it may be more of a surprise if both AREN'T in the 2013 rotation.

It's funny, many actually believe that Bradley is the one who has the higher ceiling and could be a potential ace, while Jungman is looked at as a potential 2, great #3.

For 2013 lets assume the following;
We re-sign one of our two top FA's in Greinke and Marcum. I assume it'll be Greinke based on what we gave up for him.
Wolf and Marcum are gone.

Greinke/Gallardo/-/-/Narveson

I think Peralta's a lock for one of these with any modicum of good luck this year, ie, no shoulder, elbow injuries. I think Scarpetta should be included in this group, but I'll go with Bradley. If the scouts are right, and his 91-93 can easily be turned into 94-97, with his off-speed stuff, he could be a great #4 that year.

It may be even more likely however that Fiers is the one who ends up wrestling one of those jobs away however.

adambr2 wrote:Of Peralta, Thornburg, Jungmann, and Bradley, who of these four (if any) are likely to crack the rotation in 2013?

Throw them all at the wall and hope 2 stick and can be above average for 4+ years.

Eric Arnett? No? Hold on, what? Oh. Nevermind.

Peralta will get his chance probably this year to prove himself. Next would be Fiers. Bradley, Thornburg, Jungmann need to prove themselves in the upper parts of the system before they will even be considered as depth for season. It's more like 2013 for those 3 if all goes right.

brewerfanx1 wrote:Peralta will get his chance probably this year to prove himself. Next would be Fiers. Bradley, Thornburg, Jungmann need to prove themselves in the upper parts of the system before they will even be considered as depth for season. It's more like 2013 for those 3 if all goes right.

Yes-which-was-the-question.

It sounds like he's going to end up in St. Louis.

shirt wrote:

adambr2 wrote:Of Peralta, Thornburg, Jungmann, and Bradley, who of these four (if any) are likely to crack the rotation in 2013?

Throw them all at the wall and hope 2 stick and can be above average for 4+ years.

Well, yeah, that's the easy answer, no offense. But even the best teams at developing pitchers can't really do much more than that. A couple years ago they had a couple other pitchers rated NEAER Moore in their prospect ranking. I can't even recall who they were, but I do recall proposing them as potential trade targets when they were in a "win now," mode. Someone mentioned the Rays for Prince two years ago, and I thought a package including Moore and another top pitcher would be well worth it. Now just imagine getting Moore alone. Fucking Christ we'd be set for the long haul. Moore/Greinke/Gallardo/Peralta/Thornburg-Bradley-Jungman-Fiers-Scarpetta-Narveson or whoever else. I list Greinke 2nd and everyone knows what I think of him, so that says more about Matt Moore, the next Randy Johnson quite possibly.



Although in sticking with your, "throw them against the wall theory," he could also end up a Todd Van Poppel.

Scoots0303 wrote:Eric Arnett? No? Hold on, what? Oh. Nevermind.

That's the draft Scoots. Shit happens. Normally you get at least more moments of hope and you spend a couple years HOPING your 1st rounder will develop, but all the same, it sucks, but in the big picture, it's not that big of a deal.

I'd guess less than 50 pct of 1st rounders end up becoming legit major league players,and of them, I bet you're lucky if 5 or 6 become more than role players/average players over the course of their career.

Which is why I see very iltttle difference between 15-5100. And the 3rd round probably isn't THAT much different after the top 5-10 picks than the 1st.





But yeah, it'd be REALLY fucking nice to have a 6'6(or whatever) power workhorse ready to step into our rotation right now and become the #3 he was advertised as. Perhaps he can still salvage a Kameron Loe like career with that big frame and sinking fastball.

adambr2 wrote:It sounds like he's going to end up in St. Louis.

That gives them the leg up on us again in the division, though I think we're a rettty equal team.

Whoever signs Oswalt is going to have to be able to
A-Be a contender
B-Have a couple of anchors already so that you don't count on 200+ IP from him.
C-Perhaps have a bit of a hole offensively so that you can compensate for putting together a dominant rotation.

Cards-Check
Brewers-Check
Sox-Check
Phillies-Check
Rangers-Check+Check(he's also pitched in Houston most of his life).
Braves-Check

You just tell me how after signing Aoki we're giong to find away to pay another 8 million dollar a year to a guy like Oswalt.

I think I had the most ambitious expectations of what our payroll could withstand the last couple years, and this would blow even the most optomistic expectations out of the water.

Unless you're willing to trade Wolf, eat about 5-6 million(in the deferred money+the option buyout as I doubt it'd get picked up based on the market for starting pitchers on the market.

-Edwin Jackson, a guy I'd much rather have and who looks like he should get 4 years 48 million is still unsigned. That's cheaper for next year than what Wolf would cost for one.
-Jon Garland who's posted a 3.81 ERA over the last 3 years is still unsigned, and one would think he could be signed for much less than Wolf. Granted he played in SD and LAD...though he did play in AZ, a little bit more of a launching pad.
-Hidecki Kuroda only signed for 1 year and 10 million dollars and I think most would agree that he's a superior pitcher to Wolf. He has a 3.45 ERA and is coming off a 3.07 ERA last year. That's less than what is owed to Wolf, and not only did he NOT want to pitch in New York, but he only gets it for ONE YEAR.
-Joe Saunders has an ERA under 4.00 the last two years and signed a ONE year 6 million dollar deal.

And then you have Roy Oswalt who is looking for 8 million per year over 2 years?

Point is, Randy Wolf is obviously not going to be traded to clear up that room, which is fine as he's still valuable and we're only on the hook for one more year.

But signing Roy Oswalt brings our budget likey to the 110+ range. It just doesn't seem feasible unless we CAN unload a similar salary. Corey Hart frankly would be my top option if not for Ryan Braun's suspension. But with Caleb Gindl, and Aoki, maybe that IS what they're thinking. Add another good reliever or position prospect with tools in the lower-lower minors or both to save that money might be the ideal trade off.


Wolf+Hart+Narveson for approx 25 million in savings(again, counting Wolf's option and deferred money)fornext year, and it could give us the flexibility to go out and sign Oswalt with the luxury of having Wily Peralta locked and loaded in AAA so when Oswalt misses 6-10 starts, you get a look into the future with Peralta, and he might look good enough to hold onto as a reliever and a surprise weapon down the stretch.

Bottom line, Wolf isn't getting traded right NOW with the pitchers on the free agent market. That I think is almsot certain to change if he continued to pitch like he did last year as the year goes on and pitchers go down like they do every single year, but in the off-season with healthy pitchers who are frankly as good, equal to or at worst only SLIGHTLY worse than Wolf(but gettign paid less on a one year deals) I don't see why anyone would trade for Wolf with all their other options, long term, AND short term.

And frankly, if the Brewers are going to go after another starting pitcher who's pitched in big games, I'd much rather go after the guy who throws in the upper 90's still, is young, and has room to grow and hasn't reached his potential.


Edwin Jackson is a much smarter move if you COULD even spend more money than we've already spent, why not go after Jackson. 4 years 44 million, 6 million next year, 3 years 38 million left on the deal, 13.6 left the final three years.

He's more durable, and he's the type of guy who's so domianant when he's on that you could at least hope that his 99 MPH fastball will become more consistent and ascend to the ace like potential he has, or the #2 like potential he has.
Greinke/Gallard/Jackson/Marcum/Peralta has the upside to be the best rotation in the game, Power pitchers who can strike out 10+ per 9 innings across the board and get defense.