Even though he tied the game tonight in the ninth, still don't trust Gomez to hit. Morgan won't hit .500 all season, either. Who has the edge in D and on the basepaths?

Morgan, and don't think it's even close. Gomez is better on the bases probably, but for that to matter you have to get on base. In the field, Gomez has a bit of an edge in range, and a sizable edge in arm, and that might be enough to get him close if you consider the overall team defense. But Morgan just has such an advantage in offense, don't know if it's possible to make up for that in defense.

I havn't watched enough of Nyger Morgan to say who has an advantage on the paths. I would venture to guess its even as Gomez is know to get picked off first and make bone headed choices but has more speed.

Defensivly, I would guess Gomez because of his arm.

All that being assumed true, I still want Nyger because of OBP.

Morgan.



Bat Morgan leadoff. Then go:

Morgan
Hart
Braun
Fielder
Weeks
Mcgehee
Bentacourt
Lucroy
P

BrainDed wrote:Nyger

Haha...we're getting closer!

It's a toss up between Almonte and Morgan, but I like the fact that Morgan played hockey.

onabadger58 wrote:It's a toss up between Almonte and Morgan, but I like the fact that Morgan played hockey.

Ok, Rock..

I'd vote for a straight platoon. Morgan for his career is a platoon guy, very solid against RHP but very bad against LHP. I haven't been too upset about Gomez starting the last few days since it's been against LHP. A platoon will still get Morgan most of the starts.

RyGuy wrote:Even though he tied the game tonight in the ninth, still don't trust Gomez to hit. Morgan won't hit .500 all season, either. Who has the edge in D and on the basepaths?

On the base paths and defensively it's definitely Gomez.

Which is why this is even a question. With such a bad defensive team, it'd be nice to put our best defenders out there. But there is a reason we're not calling up Gamel to play 1st.

Gotta be Morgan. I will say this, with Hart in the lineup, and Gomez then hitting 6th, it wouldn't be quite as bad.

Also wouldn't be as good as
1-Weeks
2-Morgan
3-Braun
4-Prince
5-Hart
6-McGehee
7-Lucroy
8-Betancourt
9-Pitcher

That's a good looking lineup. Though..I'm still holding out hope for a late season return of JJ Hardy to man that #8 spot.

Fan174 wrote:

RyGuy wrote:Even though he tied the game tonight in the ninth, still don't trust Gomez to hit. Morgan won't hit .500 all season, either. Who has the edge in D and on the basepaths?

On the base paths and defensively it's definitely Gomez.

Which is why this is even a question. With such a bad defensive team, it'd be nice to put our best defenders out there. But there is a reason we're not calling up Gamel to play 1st.

Gotta be Morgan. I will say this, with Hart in the lineup, and Gomez then hitting 6th, it wouldn't be quite as bad.

Also wouldn't be as good as
1-Weeks
2-Morgan
3-Braun
4-Prince
5-Hart
6-McGehee
7-Lucroy
8-Betancourt
9-Pitcher

That's a good looking lineup. Though..I'm still holding out hope for a late season return of JJ Hardy to man that #8 spot.

I completely agree. I know others want to move Rickie out of the leadoff spot. I'm not one of them. I like him better leading off than 2nd, and this team has Braun/Prince in the middle of the lineup. You don't need Weeks there too. Rickie gets on base enough, and I just really think Morgan's almost the perfect two type hitter. Puts the ball in play, can bunt, etc.

I like the hustle of Gomez, but on a team that's "going for it" this year, you just can't put him in there to try and reach his potential. Morgan's more proven. If the Brewers were in re-building mode, Gomez could be left out there everyday.

I'd love JJ back, but him and Melvin would probably have to work out any rift between them (If there is one) after Melvin sent him down to save one of his eligibility (Less pay) years.

bobadgers wrote:I'd love JJ back, but him and Melvin would probably have to work out any rift between them (If there is one) after Melvin sent him down to save one of his eligibility (Less pay) years.

If the O's trade him, JJ's just gotta suck it up and deal with it. I don't see him being in too much a position to dictate what team trades for him.

I suppose if he were offered 2/12 from the Brewers as a FA and 2/10 from another team he may have to work it out, but he'd just have to deal with it in a trade.

STRICT PLATOON. Makes too much sense.

Only downside of a platoon is it really signifies the end of any hope for Gomez, as I don't think he'll figure anything out only getting 2 starts a week or so. Might be more risky, but if we did give Morgan the regular starter job, would definitely consider the possibility of sending Gomez to AAA to start everyday.

Macha Man wrote:Only downside of a platoon is it really signifies the end of any hope for Gomez, as I don't think he'll figure anything out only getting 2 starts a week or so. Might be more risky, but if we did give Morgan the regular starter job, would definitely consider the possibility of sending Gomez to AAA to start everyday.

The end of any hope for Gomez should have ended long ago. He's in his 4th season for chrissake.

If this was 2004 or 2005, go ahead and let it ride with Gomez all year. Being that we pretty much went all in this year, I don't think we're really in a position to give Gomez the entire season to figure it out.

Ideally, I'd still like to unload Gomez to a team that IS in that position and can give us an upgrade at SS, but I'm not even really sure how much he's worth at this point.

If Nyjer was an absolute defensive liability, this might be a tougher debate, but he's not. There's not much separating Gomez and Nyjer defensively other than arm strength.

My only misgiving about making Nyjer the every day starter is the fact that he's going to be a black hole in the lineup against lefties. A career split of a .312 BA/.364 OBP and .758 OPS(112 OPS+) against RHP suggests there's no good reason for him not to get every start against righties, while a career split of .201 BA/.293 OBP and .569 OPS (60 OPS+) suggest that he doesn't belong anywhere near the lineup against lefties.

Nyjer Morgan is an ideal platoon player. Which would be fine, if Gomez were also an ideal platoon guy, but he's not.

Scoots0303 wrote:

Macha Man wrote:Only downside of a platoon is it really signifies the end of any hope for Gomez, as I don't think he'll figure anything out only getting 2 starts a week or so. Might be more risky, but if we did give Morgan the regular starter job, would definitely consider the possibility of sending Gomez to AAA to start everyday.

The end of any hope for Gomez should have ended long ago. He's in his 4th season for chrissake.

Weeks wasn't able to show his full potential until his 5th year.

McClunger wrote:Morgan.



Bat Morgan leadoff. Then go:

Morgan
Hart
Braun
Fielder
Weeks
Mcgehee
Bentacourt
Lucroy
P

Why would you want Hart and his bad OBP in the 2 hole? Weeks and Hart have comparable power, but Weeks has a much better OBP. It makes no sense at all to have Weeks 5 and Hart two if you are hellbent on getting Weeks out of the leadoff spot (which also is probably a mistake).

We already explained "why we want Hart" up there... and if you call his OBP horrible than you are saying Weeks was horrible half of the seasons he played. I think they are valid reasons and outweigh the negatives of moving Weeks from the top.

1 - Corey is a better contact and situational hitter. His chase the slider low and away problem does not compare to weeks quest for 200 K's. Yes, this matters in the 2 hole.
2 - Corey is a better base runner
3 - Weeks has the potential to be a better rbi man.
4 - It's a waste of Weeks slg% at the top. He offers amazing protection to Prince.
5 - Nyjer is a true leadoff hitter

dusters wrote:Weeks wasn't able to show his full potential until his 5th year.

He showed plenty of flashes in the meantime though. Gomez hasn't.

Plus, its not like we are wasting his OBP, Casey is still going to be behind him.. Plus, now he is behind Braun/Prince/ Weeks... Instead of 2 hole / Braun / Prince Weeks.

Its more RBI opps for him and Weeks. You could argue less RBI chances for Braun / Prince; however, adding Nyjer and Hart in front , who get on more than our Weeks / 2hole combo of last year shoots a big hole in that argument.