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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby darklotus66 on Apr 6th, 2011, 6:46 pm

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Right-hander Eric Arnett will begin the Minor League season on the disabled list because of a right rotator cuff injury, Brewers assistant general manager Gord Ash said.

Arnett, milwaukee’s first pick in the 2009 First-Year Player Draft, was already off to a 3-13 start in his professional career with a 6.18 ERA. He is expected to miss a significant chunk of the season.

“Let’s put it this way,” Ash said. “It’ll be about a month before he throws.”

Arnett is in Phoenix strengthening his shoulder. The Brewers gave him last winter off after Arnett went 3-9 with a 6.67 ERA between rookie-level Arizona and Class A Wisconsin while working with dramatically decreased velocity compared to his days at Indiana University.

“We’re discouraged, yes,” Ash said. “He didn’t participate in any winter programs, and the idea was for him to come in and be ready to go, and he wasn’t. … We wanted him to take this time to get his mind [clear] because he had been a couple years straight of participation. This was a physical break for him, and he just wasn’t ready to go.

“You never give up. We’re certainly not giving up. We’re disappointed, but we haven’t given up.”

Another ’09 Draft pick, outfielder D’Vontrey Richardson, will also start the season on the DL with a hip injury. His stint will be much shorter than Arnett’s, and when Richardson is healthy he’s expected to play for Class A Brevard County.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby onabadger58 on Apr 14th, 2011, 1:41 am

Mark Rogers through 2 games

10IP 7H 1ER 9BB 8K's ERA .90

Interesting that 8 of the 9 walks are to lefties.

I would really love to see him stick as a starter. If he could just limit those walks
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby Fan174 on Apr 14th, 2011, 3:36 am

onabadger58 wrote:Mark Rogers through 2 games

10IP 7H 1ER 9BB 8K's ERA .90

Interesting that 8 of the 9 walks are to lefties.

I would really love to see him stick as a starter. If he could just limit those walks




With the starting pitching depth we're developing in the minors, I'm absolutely find with both he and Peralta being used strictly as relievers.

Both have had injuries concerns and both have the stuff to close.

With guys like Austin Ross, Amaury Rivas, Cody Scarpetta, Kyle Heckathorn, Nelson and Miller, Thornburg and my personal favorite..BROOKS HALL, along with what should yield at least one very talented young arm in this draft, we're looking infinitely better pitching wise than we were just a couple years ago.


Gallardo is locked up, and Marcum and Greinke are signed for two more years, Narveson has 4 years of service time I believe, we need but one or two of these guys to pan out. I think locking up Greinke now for 4/80 and Marcum NOW for 4/44 would be the prudent way to go.

Then you'd be looking at a rotation of
1-Greinke
2-Gallardo
3-Marcum
4-Narveson
With the hopes that you'll get ONE of those guys to develop into suitable #3 type pitchers, a safe bet IMO at this point, and you'd have a incredible rotation moving forward. And with all the young power arms coming up to pair with Braddock, Axford, Peralta and Rogers and guys like Thornberg or whomever, and all the sudden we're looking like a dynamic staff.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby brewerfanx1 on Apr 15th, 2011, 2:46 am

I've been more impressed with Wily Peralta than Mark Rogers.

Mark Rogers was only hitting 88-90 mph on his fastball a couple starts ago and has been walking a lot of batters. I don't know what to make of him yet.

Peralta imo has already earned a promotion to AAA Nashville. He has been freaking awesome so far. If he can keep the strikeouts up he could be an elite pitching prospect. I like his stuff. Keep an eye on this guy.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby Fan174 on Apr 15th, 2011, 3:18 am

brewerfanx1 wrote:I've been more impressed with Wily Peralta than Mark Rogers.

Mark Rogers was only hitting 88-90 mph on his fastball a couple starts ago and has been walking a lot of batters. I don't know what to make of him yet.

Peralta imo has already earned a promotion to AAA Nashville. He has been freaking awesome so far. If he can keep the strikeouts up he could be an elite pitching prospect. I like his stuff. Keep an eye on this guy.



So...you've watched their starts?
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby KrayJackson on Apr 15th, 2011, 11:05 am

brewerfanx1 wrote:Peralta imo has already earned a promotion to AAA Nashville. He has been freaking awesome so far. If he can keep the strikeouts up he could be an elite pitching prospect. I like his stuff. Keep an eye on this guy.


Would you quit telling people to "keep an eye on ________?" We pretty much all know more about every prospect than you do. And as it's been shown by several people here, no one cares what you say about prospects.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby shirt on Apr 15th, 2011, 1:07 pm

brewerfanx1 wrote:I've been more impressed with Wily Peralta than Mark Rogers.


Good to hear. This is why you don't need to say these absolutes in the preseason when so much is likely to change. Off the top of my head I think you said Rogers would have the biggest impact on the MLB team this year and that we would lose everyone of Grenkie's starts in April since Rogers wasn't pitching them. Sometimes you think something is likely and thats okay to express. But to say something so stupid with absolute certainty doesn't work.

For an example of a better way to express your ideas (I am not trying to sound condescending here so sorry if it comes off that way) last week I said before Yo's start against the Cubs that I thought he might feel the effects from pitching too much too early the previous week.

I expected his velocity and/or location to be poor. Most people disagreed with me, so I clarified that I wasn't saying it was going to happen, but there was an increased risk that it might happen since there is a history of it with various players in the league. Sure enough, he pitched pretty bad and we had a perfectly reasonable explanation. But I didn't come on here and say it was going to happen even though I thought it was very likely. Its all about how you present your opinions.

Even if they are a minority opinion there is a way to present it successfully.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby brewerfanx1 on Apr 15th, 2011, 5:37 pm

jpatlee wrote:
brewerfanx1 wrote:Peralta imo has already earned a promotion to AAA Nashville. He has been freaking awesome so far. If he can keep the strikeouts up he could be an elite pitching prospect. I like his stuff. Keep an eye on this guy.


We pretty much all know more about every prospect than you do.
And as it's been shown by several people here, no one cares what you say about prospects.


I highly doubt that.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby RetardRon on Apr 15th, 2011, 6:21 pm

shirt wrote:
brewerfanx1 wrote:I've been more impressed with Wily Peralta than Mark Rogers.


Good to hear. This is why you don't need to say these absolutes in the preseason when so much is likely to change. Off the top of my head I think you said Rogers would have the biggest impact on the MLB team this year and that we would lose everyone of Grenkie's starts in April since Rogers wasn't pitching them. Sometimes you think something is likely and thats okay to express. But to say something so stupid with absolute certainty doesn't work.

For an example of a better way to express your ideas (I am not trying to sound condescending here so sorry if it comes off that way) last week I said before Yo's start against the Cubs that I thought he might feel the effects from pitching too much too early the previous week.

I expected his velocity and/or location to be poor. Most people disagreed with me, so I clarified that I wasn't saying it was going to happen, but there was an increased risk that it might happen since there is a history of it with various players in the league. Sure enough, he pitched pretty bad and we had a perfectly reasonable explanation. But I didn't come on here and say it was going to happen even though I thought it was very likely. Its all about how you present your opinions.

Even if they are a minority opinion there is a way to present it successfully.


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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby Fan174 on Apr 15th, 2011, 10:07 pm

brewerfanx1 wrote:
jpatlee wrote:
brewerfanx1 wrote:Peralta imo has already earned a promotion to AAA Nashville. He has been freaking awesome so far. If he can keep the strikeouts up he could be an elite pitching prospect. I like his stuff. Keep an eye on this guy.


We pretty much all know more about every prospect than you do.
And as it's been shown by several people here, no one cares what you say about prospects.


I highly doubt that.



We know YOU doubt it. That's why you think you're really fucking uncovering something when you mention a guy that we've all been talking about for 3-4 years.

That's why you tell us to "watch out" for Gennett whom some of us were following during the fucking draft.

And THAT is why you think Eric-fucking-Farris was a SS.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby brewerfanx1 on Apr 19th, 2011, 1:43 am

Farris will still play some shortstop

The Brewers are very short of shortstops in the Minor Leagues, and some fans wondered why they have not simply moved Triple-A second baseman Eric Farris into the slot, since the plan was to use him occasionally at that position this season.

Brewers assistant scouting director Tom Flanagan is on this road trip and answered that question today. He said Farris has been slowed this month by a very minor foot injury that did not keep him out of Nashville’s lineup, and the organization did not want to ask him to play a different position while he was less than 100 percent.

(Thanks to Brewers fan @sessilefielder for pointing me to Farris’ Twitter account, which says he was hurt fouling a ball of his foot.)

Soon, Farris will start playing something like two days a week at shortstop. Why not more? For one, he’s a superior defensive second baseman who has played there since college. The Brewers are also somewhat hesitant to move too many of their top prospects, though there are obviously exceptions (Mat Gamel comes to mind). There’s a growing belief in the front office that it’s more productive to give a guy a position and keep him there.

I know a certain other Brewers beat writer has made this point, but I’ll say it, too. It’s really too bad for the Brewers and Luis Cruz that Cruz refused the Brewers’ assignment to Nashville and signed with the Rangers to play at Triple-A instead. It seems to me that his path to the Majors was easier as a backup to Yuniesky Betancourt than to the Rangers’ young Elvis Andrus.


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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby RetardRon on Apr 19th, 2011, 2:24 am

Nice call, Mr X!!
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby KrayJackson on Apr 19th, 2011, 8:03 am

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Farris will still play some shortstop

The Brewers are very short of shortstops in the Minor Leagues, and some fans wondered why they have not simply moved Triple-A second baseman Eric Farris into the slot, since the plan was to use him occasionally at that position this season.

Brewers assistant scouting director Tom Flanagan is on this road trip and answered that question today. He said Farris has been slowed this month by a very minor foot injury that did not keep him out of Nashville’s lineup, and the organization did not want to ask him to play a different position while he was less than 100 percent.

(Thanks to Brewers fan @sessilefielder for pointing me to Farris’ Twitter account, which says he was hurt fouling a ball of his foot.)

Soon, Farris will start playing something like two days a week at shortstop. Why not more? For one, he’s a superior defensive second baseman who has played there since college. The Brewers are also somewhat hesitant to move too many of their top prospects, though there are obviously exceptions (Mat Gamel comes to mind). There’s a growing belief in the front office that it’s more productive to give a guy a position and keep him there.

I know a certain other Brewers beat writer has made this point, but I’ll say it, too. It’s really too bad for the Brewers and Luis Cruz that Cruz refused the Brewers’ assignment to Nashville and signed with the Rangers to play at Triple-A instead. It seems to me that his path to the Majors was easier as a backup to Yuniesky Betancourt than to the Rangers’ young Elvis Andrus.


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See, you're thinking that you're right here, and in the future you'll say you're right, but the fact of the matter is that you're NOT. As trwi7 said in the other thread, he's playing SS maybe twice a week. Now...if you were planning on bringing Farris up to play SS on a full time basis, wouldn't you want to thrust him into the role full time so he gets as much experience as possible there?

McCalvy wrote that the Brewers are hesitant to move (position-wise) their top prospects. If anything this, move is either bring him up as a utility guy who will split time with Counsell at SS or as a SS option for 2012. NOT as a viable option for full time SS later this season.

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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby RetardRon on Apr 19th, 2011, 8:39 am

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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby shirt on Apr 19th, 2011, 9:48 am



This is something we have known about since spring training. If he is going to be a utility player he will need to play more than 2B.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby brewerfanx1 on Apr 19th, 2011, 4:40 pm

shirt wrote:


This is something we have known about since spring training. If he is going to be a utility player he will need to play more than 2B.


His defense is so good that he can play SS. He will be slowly groomed into a SS over the next year and a half unless the Brewers plan to go out and trade for one. I told you to keep an eye on him. No need to make him a utility player when the Brewers will probably need a SS later this year or next.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby shirt on Apr 19th, 2011, 4:45 pm

brewerfanx1 wrote:His defense is so good that he can play SS. He will be slowly groomed into a SS over the next year and a half unless the Brewers plan to go out and trade for one. I told you to keep an eye on him. No need to make him a utility player when the Brewers will probably need a SS later this year or next.


Here we go again.

How much have you seen him play SS. Or can you provide some links to scouts saying this?

How many guys who end up as full time SS were converted from another position in AAA? Can you name any?

And if the Brewers will need a SS later this year or next why are they just having him play SS once or twice a week instead of fulltime if he is their solution.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby KrayJackson on Apr 19th, 2011, 5:01 pm

brewerfanx1 wrote:His defense is so good that he can play SS.


His defense is good as a 2B. Why do you think guys who play 2B play 2B? Please, just answer that question.

Why do 2B play 2B?
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby adambr2 on Apr 19th, 2011, 5:41 pm

jpatlee wrote:
brewerfanx1 wrote:His defense is so good that he can play SS.


His defense is good as a 2B. Why do you think guys who play 2B play 2B? Please, just answer that question.

Why do 2B play 2B?


Gomez is really good defensively. Plus he's fast so I'm sure he'd have good range. Surely we can just move him to SS, right? Morgan returns to CF when he returns, and our SS problem is solved. Too easy.
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Re: 2011 Minor League Updates

Postby KrayJackson on Apr 19th, 2011, 5:49 pm

adambr2 wrote:
jpatlee wrote:
brewerfanx1 wrote:His defense is so good that he can play SS.


His defense is good as a 2B. Why do you think guys who play 2B play 2B? Please, just answer that question.

Why do 2B play 2B?


Gomez is really good defensively. Plus he's fast so I'm sure he'd have good range. Surely we can just move him to SS, right? Morgan returns to CF when he returns, and our SS problem is solved. Too easy.


Brilliant! You're surely an ABOVE AVERAGE FAN. Why didn't brewerfanx1 think of this? He must be merely average.
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