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by RetardRon on Aug 30th, 2010, 11:09 am
It looks like we have a plethera of OL, TE and FB. Who will get dealt? What will will we get in return? Please be a LB. 1 - I'm hoping its Hall for sure. 3 fucking full backs is just stupid when you have the TE talent we do. You could also put Crabtree or Lee in at FB in a pinch. 2 - Donald Lee. Fuck Experience, this guy is not as talented as the rest but could still net something in return. Havner is a better special teamer and can fill in at LB. CrabTree is a beast on teams and in the run game. Obviously your not going to let go of Finley or Quarless. 3 - Jason Spitz. He is a solid player and should net a return. Sitton, College, Smith and Buluga are all better Guards. Of those 3, I am sure we can get some help at CB and or LB before the opener. Here is a insider article. Green Bay — Back in the summer of 2005, the Green Bay Packers had a glut of mediocre cornerbacks and a gaping hole at weak-side linebacker. So when it was time for roster cuts, first-year general manager Ted Thompson sent raw cornerback Chris Johnson to St. Louis for linebacker Robert Thomas, who became a 10-game starter that season.
Two summers later, Thompson realized his running back trio of Brandon Jackson, Vernand Morency and DeShawn Wynn just wouldn't cut it. So again, Thompson went the trade route and plucked Ryan Grant from the New York Giants for a sixth-round draft choice.
Last year, instead of waving offensive lineman Tony Moll, Thompson sent him to Baltimore for safety Derrick Martin, and he wound up being one of Green Bay's top players on special teams.
The moral of the story is this: When the Packers have to trim their roster on Aug. 31 and Sept. 4, look for Thompson to start wheeling and dealing again.
Green Bay has a surplus of offensive linemen, fullbacks and tight ends. The Packers also need help at outside linebacker and safety. So Thompson figures to be looking for a trade partner.
"Those kinds of conversations really haven't gotten going yet," Thompson said recently. "There are the great fishing expeditions where they just call and say, 'Do you got anybody that you are looking to move?' Nobody says anything, so we've got to get into that.
"I think we have got to see . . . where you think you are stronger and where another team might be another stronger. It's got to work for everybody. It's not difficult, but the stars have to align a little bit.
Thompson, who believes he's close to assembling a Super Bowl roster, will probably be extremely active. With that, here's a stab at how Green Bay's opening day roster will look.
QUARTERBACKS (2)
Keep: Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn
Cut: Graham Harrell
Analysis: Flynn might have some value in a trade, but that likely won't come until this off-season. Harrell has a shot of landing on the practice squad.
WIDE RECEIVERS (5)
Keep: Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Brett Swain
Cut: Charles Dillon, Shawn Gore, Patrick Williams, Chastin West, Jason Chery
nalysis: Swain, coming off reconstructive knee surgery, has had a quiet summer. But none of the others have done enough to pass him for the No. 5 job. Dillon and Gore could wind up on the practice squad.
TIGHT ENDS (4)
Keep: Jermichael Finley, Donald Lee, Spencer Havner, Andrew Quarless
Cut: Tom Crabtree
Analysis: This is arguably the deepest spot on the team, so a player like Lee or Havner could certainly be traded. The Packers are likely to keep four, though, as they did in McCarthy's first season. Regardless, Crabtree figures to wind up on the practice squad.
RUNNING BACKS/FULLBACKS (5)
Keep: Ryan Grant, Brandon Jackson, John Kuhn, Quinn Johnson, Korey Hall
Cut: Kregg Lumpkin, Quinn Porter
Injured reserve: James Starks
Analysis: Kuhn, who ran for nearly 4,700 yards in college at tiny Shippensburg (Pa.), has been impressive with the ball in his hands. If the Packers feel comfortable he could handle the load should both Grant and Jackson go down in a game, Green Bay can keep three fullbacks for the second straight year. Johnson has stepped up his play and was integral in the Packers' game-winning drive against Seattle. Hall is smaller than you'd like a fullback to be, but he is versatile and a valuable player on special teams. Both deserve roster spots more than Lumpkin and Porter.
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (9)
Keep: Chad Clifton, Bryan Bulaga, Scott Wells, Josh Sitton, Mark Tauscher, Daryn Colledge, T.J. Lang, Marshall Newhouse, Evan Dietrich-Smith
Trade: Jason Spitz
Cut: Breno Giacomini, Allen Barbre, Nick McDonald, Chris Campbell
Analysis: For the first time in eons, this is a position of strength in Green Bay. That's why it makes sense the Packers will move somebody, and while Spitz is the odd man out in Green Bay, he'll certainly have value to somebody. Newhouse wins out largely because he was a fifth-round draft choice this year, and Thompson hates to part with his own guys. Giacomini may have played himself off the roster with two rotten preseason games, which could open the door for the feisty Dietrich-Smith.
DEFENSIVE LINEMEN (6)
Keep: Cullen Jenkins, B.J. Raji, Ryan Pickett, Mike Neal, Justin Harrell, Jarius Wynn
Cut: C.J. Wilson, Anthony Toribio, Ronald Talley
Analysis: The Packers will try getting Wilson through to the practice squad, a place Wynn isn't eligible for. Wynn also rates slightly better than Wilson as an edge rusher. Harrell, who's had a solid summer, makes it on performance, not draft status.
LINEBACKERS (9)
Keep: Clay Matthews, Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Brandon Chillar, Desmond Bishop, Brady Poppinga, Frank Zombo, TBD
Cut: Cyril Obiozor, Maurice Simpkins, Robert Francois.
Injured reserve: Alex Joseph
Analysis: The guess here is Green Bay will still sign - or trade - for another outside linebacker. The Packers are in this predicament because the options after Matthews have been extremely disappointing. If Green Bay can't add another outside backer, Obiozor sticks. Bishop would certainly like to be traded to a place he'll play more, but the Packers seem likely to keep him for another season. Zombo has been impressive the first four weeks of camp and could be the surprise of the roster.
CORNERBACKS (5)
Keep: Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, Brandon Underwood, Pat Lee, Sam Shields
Cut: Jarrett Bush, D.J. Clark
Physically unable to perform list: Al Harris
Analysis: Shields, who's been absolutely offensive trying to field punts and kickoffs, sticks because of his 4.20 speed and upside. After years of driving Packer Nation batty, few tears are likely to be shed over Bush's departure. He was picked on again by Seattle's reserves and had personal foul and pass interference penalties on consecutive plays. Enough's enough. Despite great progress in his rehabilitation, Harris will spend the first six weeks watching.
SAFETIES (5)
Keep: Nick Collins, Morgan Burnett, Derrick Martin, Will Blackmon, TBD
Cut: Charlie Peprah, Anthony Levine.
Physically unable to perform list: Atari Bigby
Analysis: With Bigby out the first six games, the Packers' don't have a third safety they can play from scrimmage. Heck, until Burnett puts more on film, no one can be sure they have two. That's why it's imperative Thompson adds another player here before the Sept. 12 opener in Philadelphia. Blackmon's bubble could pop as well, but the guess is he'll win the punt return job and survive.
SPECIALISTS (3)
Keep: K Mason Crosby, P Chris Bryan, LS Brett Goode
Cut: P Tim Masthay
Analysis: Bryan and Masthay have both proven they're NFL-caliber punters. But Bryan gets the edge due to upside and his ability to pin foes inside their own 20.
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by betroit02 on Aug 30th, 2010, 12:36 pm
good article. but i dont think bush gets cut, and masthay will be the punter.
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by adambr2 on Aug 30th, 2010, 3:57 pm
I think we'll keep Bush if Harris starts the season on PUP, just for depth. I hope he doesn't start on PUP though.
For trades, Spitz makes the most sense to me. He probably has the highest value, especially being able to play a couple positions. Wells is our C and that's Spitz' best position so it makes better sense to find a trade partner for him.
Kuhn is pretty safe, I'd be fine with trading either of Johnson or Hall. I also agree with trading Lee and keeping the other 4 TE. Putting Crabtree on the practice squad is a nice idea in a perfect world, but I think he probably lands a job on someone elses roster first.
I would absolutely love to be able to net a solid starting OLB opposite Matthews for Spitz, even if we had to throw in a pick. I have no idea who it would be, though.
Even for the guys who probably wouldn't net a ton, like Lee or Hall, it makes a lot more sense to get a pick for them if possible if you're just going to cut them anyway.
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by adambr2 on Aug 30th, 2010, 4:12 pm
Another guy not mentioned that I think should be considered as trade bait is Poppinga. We haven't really been able to find him a role in the 3-4 and he might be better off returning to a 4-3 defense. This will allow us to get younger at LB and at the same time free up that roster spot to bring in some outside help thru a different trade that I mentioned before.
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by RetardRon on Aug 30th, 2010, 4:47 pm
adambr2 wrote:Another guy not mentioned that I think should be considered as trade bait is Poppinga. We haven't really been able to find him a role in the 3-4 and he might be better off returning to a 4-3 defense. This will allow us to get younger at LB and at the same time free up that roster spot to bring in some outside help thru a different trade that I mentioned before.
Yeah,, Him and Spitz in a package could net someone of significance if there is that special someone available
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by adambr2 on Aug 31st, 2010, 12:52 pm
Just for shits and giggles, what do you think Rodgers would be worth in a trade if we were actually going to try going forward with Flynn as the starter in this offense?
DISCLAIMER: I know trading Rodgers is utter insanity and know it would certainly not happen nor would I ever want it to happen. Just speculating, hypothetically.
Considering what the Broncos got for Cutler, would it be reasonable to ask for 3 first round picks as a starting point?
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by Fan174 on Sep 1st, 2010, 1:27 am
adambr2 wrote:Another guy not mentioned that I think should be considered as trade bait is Poppinga. We haven't really been able to find him a role in the 3-4 and he might be better off returning to a 4-3 defense. This will allow us to get younger at LB and at the same time free up that roster spot to bring in some outside help thru a different trade that I mentioned before.
I really like Poppinga as depth. He's actually a PERFECT fit(for his skills, not that he's great at it) in the 3-4 as opposed to 4-3. He was an undersized 4-3 DE in college and as pass rushing specialist. He's a 3-4 OLB'er and sensational depth.
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by RetardRon on Sep 1st, 2010, 1:33 am
Fan174 wrote:adambr2 wrote:Another guy not mentioned that I think should be considered as trade bait is Poppinga. We haven't really been able to find him a role in the 3-4 and he might be better off returning to a 4-3 defense. This will allow us to get younger at LB and at the same time free up that roster spot to bring in some outside help thru a different trade that I mentioned before.
I really like Poppinga as depth. He's actually a PERFECT fit(for his skills, not that he's great at it) in the 3-4 as opposed to 4-3. He was an undersized 4-3 DE in college and as pass rushing specialist. He's a 3-4 OLB'er and sensational depth.
I love watching him play, In fact, he is my favorite player to WATCH on this team. He is absolute maniac who plays with no regard for his body. That being said, he couldn't cover my grandmother on a simple out route, His blitz game is sub par, but dont you fucking dare run the ball to his side.
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by Fan174 on Sep 1st, 2010, 1:38 am
BrainDed wrote:adambr2 wrote:Another guy not mentioned that I think should be considered as trade bait is Poppinga. We haven't really been able to find him a role in the 3-4 and he might be better off returning to a 4-3 defense. This will allow us to get younger at LB and at the same time free up that roster spot to bring in some outside help thru a different trade that I mentioned before.
Yeah,, Him and Spitz in a package could net someone of significance if there is that special someone available
Here's my issue though. You're NOT going to add anyone who's going to be an upgrade over your starters(99 pct of the time, Grant was not only a fluke, but we were AWFUL at RB, and Thomas was a high priced, former 1st who the Rams wanted to cut for a number of reasons. So guys I'd trade, in order and what I think we COULD get for them. 1-Jason Spitz He's been one of my favorites even when he was in Louisville. I wanted him drafted in the 2nd/3rd when we grabbed him, and he was very good early on. One of the worst mean streaks on the OL, and a thick lower half, but he just doesn't fit in anywhere. Sitton's a Pro-bowl guard waiting to happen, Colledge looks to have bounced WAY back, behind him we've got Bulaga and then Lang and Newhouse if need be. 2-Donald Lee He's our 2nd best TE right now, so I'd keep him, but he's our 4th most talented(I don't see anything special about Havner other than he's a guy who used to play LB'er so he knows how to play it...problem is, he plays it shittily. He's just not more than average anywhere. McCarthy keeps talking about needing great leaders and vets and you have an IDEAL one in Lee, WHO by the way is a starter on probably 10 teams and the #2 on probably about 18 teams in the NFL. So we'll be able to move him. 3-Korey Hall/Quinn Johnson Both are good quality NFL FB's. Problem is teams don't care about FB's as they usually would prefer their guy who knows their own system. Johnson COULD get you a draft pick. 4-Jarrett Bush Teams have interest in his ST's play and his ideal CB frame and measurable numbers. Too bad he's just got AWFUL ball skills, but teams would definitely take him. 5-LB'ers Bishop MAYBE, Poppinga....MAYBE. But why? They're both cheap(enough), they give you good depth, and you're NOT going to upgrade by getting anyone else back. You could get MAYBE a #5 for Spitz, a #5-6 for Lee, a POSSIBLE #6-7. For Bishop given his talent, MAYBE a #4, but most likely a #6-7 again, same with Poppinga. So AT BEST you're going to get MAYBE a few #6/#7 draft picks. And think about it, if you DO get a player, are ANY OF THOSE PLAYERS going to be upgrades? You may not be a fan of Hawk, but a player of Hawk's ability is NOT going to get cut most times. The ONLY positions we MIGHT get a player to help us would MAYBE be at; RB as a guy like Marshawn Lynch might get cut, a Willis McGehee, or a 3rd down back. MAYBE on the DL, a big guy who can occupy space, and that's about it. We're probably MOSTLY done adding players, but hey, you NEVER know when you're going to add a guy.
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by RetardRon on Sep 1st, 2010, 1:45 am
Fan174 wrote:(I don't see anything special about Havner
Thank you! He gets lucky a few times and he is a legend. But I still say trade Lee IF YOU CAN GET SOMTHING OF VALUE IN RETURN because I think every GM out there knows Havner is nothing but serviceable and flexible while Lee has real value. If its a 6 round pick, fuck off.. the depth and experience is more valuable Fan174 wrote:Teams have interest in his ST's play and his ideal CB frame and measurable numbers.
I think his teams play is over rated. Fan174 wrote:We're probably MOSTLY done adding players,
I dount it.. TT loves to pick up a guy this time of year and he has been amazingly successful at it.
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by adambr2 on Sep 1st, 2010, 8:09 am
Spitz - Definitely...I think he is the most likely to be traded and probably going to bring the most in return.
Lee - I would actually prefer to see Lee traded to help solve the TE logjam and net us a bit of a return. I don't think Havner is anything special either, but I am guessing that the fact that he can go on the depth chart as an LB too, however insignificant, will probably give him an edge. Quarless isn't making it to the practice squad, nor do I think they'd want him to right now even with his inexperience. In a perfect world, I'd like to see Lee traded, and TE's Finley, Quarless, and Havner, with Crabtree to the PS. I think we'd still be in good shape there.
Hall/Johnson - Would be fine with either, Kuhn is the only FB I think we're pretty much a lock to hang onto.
Bush - A week ago, I would have jumped at it if anyone offered a 7th, but with Harris going to the PUP, I'm guessing we'll want to hang onto the depth...for now.
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