People are estimating the cap will be at 120-125 for 2012.. Right now, the packers are at about 93 million not including FA's like Wells, Flynn and Mouth.
These guys are all most likely coming off the books..
Clifton = 5.8
Driver = 5.6
Collins = 3.5
Peprah = 1.1
Zombo or Jones = .5
That totals up to an additional 16.5 on top of the 30 or so they are already under.. So you have a grand total 46 million to resign guys, play in FA, sign picks and stash some like we always do for late additions and extensions.
Point being, if Ted wanted to make a run at super FA, this would be a great year to do it with 3 Vets totaling 14 or so Million coming off the books.
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Player 2012 Cap Hit
Aaron Rodgers $ 11,150,000 Charles Woodson $ 10,500,000 Greg Jennings $ 7,947,500 A.J. Hawk $ 6,550,000 Tramon Williams $ 6,300,000 Chad Clifton $ 5,703,125 Donald Driver $ 5,600,000 Ryan Pickett $ 5,375,000 Desmond Bishop $ 4,688,500 Josh Sitton $ 4,350,000 Jordy Nelson $ 3,625,000 Nick Collins $ 3,450,000 James Jones $ 3,000,000 B.J. Raji $ 2,630,000 Mason Crosby $ 2,400,000 John Kuhn $ 2,400,000 Clay Matthews $ 1,890,000 Derek Sherrod $ 1,500,455 Bryan Bulaga $ 1,367,500 Charlie Peprah $ 1,150,000 Michael Neal $ 902,750 Brett Goode $ 776,000 Randall Cobb $ 729,414 Morgan Burnett $ 708,775 T.J. Lang $ 690,625 Alexander Green $ 601,250 Jarius Wynn $ 592,182 Brad Jones $ 580,063 Evan Dietrich-Smith $ 565,000 Davon House $ 540,145 Graham Harrell $ 540,000 Andrew Quarless $ 535,606 Marshall Newhouse $ 527,500 James Starks $ 515,075 D.J. Williams $ 514,500 C.J. Wilson $ 502,588 Sam Shields $ 492,500 Frank Zombo $ 491,166 Tim Masthay $ 490,000 Tom Crabtree $ 490,000 Rob Francois $ 490,000 Ryan Taylor $ 479,794 Lawrence Guy $ 476,475 D.J. Smith $ 465,000 Total $105,273,488 Accomplishments:
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Has there been any update on Collins? I know that it will be a while before they know if he can play again, but I haven't heard anything about him lately.
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I think it's WAY too premature to say that Collins is most likely coming off. The last reports were looking good, though anything but definitive. And I think the Packers are going to keep him on if there is any chance he can come back. But I agree with your premise. Though I thought the payroll was projected to be at 126 to 130 this year. That was before the season, so it may have changed, but if so that helps out even more. And I agree with your premise on a couple fronts. This is the i-fucking-deal year to go after a guy like Mario Williams and overpay. You're the best offense in the NFL and you have no pass rush. Adding one of the top pass rushers in the game when you already have one of the top pass rushers in the game and one of the best ball hawking secondaries could possibly be a single move that moves us back into the top 10 in defense if not higher with draft picks. Wells I'm gonna guess gets a higher per year deal, like Clifton but shorter years. I've said 3/21. And we disagree, but if we don't franchise Flynn, I think we have to franchise Finley. Maybe I overestimate how good he can be, but you clearly underestimate how good he IS. He had bad hands this year, but that can be a fluke as we've seen with Nelson and he's never had such problems. And just look at the offense when it was clicking WITH him? Do you really think it's so surprising that either Jennings or Nelson got so many one on one matchup's with Finley playing? You mocked me when I said that I think the only difference between Jones and Nelson is that Nelson got moved up to #2 and that Jones could put up as good of numbers, and while that may be slightly exaggerated, you DID see HIM also explode when Jennins went down. He's more than just a #3 in terms of talent, but the fact that our #1 and #2 WR's whoever they were put up such big numbers and Rodgers had one of the greatest years EVER and people consistently talk about how Finley is the guy they look to first as having to stop....you have to admit it'd be nice to bring back the entire offense, especially if Finley gets franchised for 5.4 forcing him to sign a long term deal based on that number as a starting point. "Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
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That's the perfect and most responsible way to go about it. "Hey guys who have spent 10 fucking years in school and how many more training to specialize in the spine and spinal cord injuries, I'm going to listen to you instead of being a "tough," and "old school," type player so I can be respected and then blow by brains out at 54 or be in a wheel chair the rest of my life. But if they say I'm healthy and I have no more risk than before, I love the game and want to play. I hope he gets the green light obviously, if he doesn't, I'm glad he wouldn't risk it. I'm ALSO glad that he got paid before this happened. Green Bay takes care of it's own, but I question if they would have taken care of Collins like the Bulls did Williams when he got hurt(which is entirely different I know). He's set for life, so if you come back, come back for the love of the game. "Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
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We still have some major obligations coming up. Obviously if you want to sign Finley and Wells there's going to be a price to pay. Glad we locked up Sitton and Jordy when we did. But aside from Finley and Wells, Jennings is a free agent after next season so he's a guy to look at locking up now, and Rodgers is probably going to have a new contract sometime this offseason. On a smaller scale of course we'll have about 9 draft picks, probably. I'm hoping a 3rd rounder for Jenkins and a 4th for Colledge. We don't have to worry about Matthews and Raji yet, but we'll be talking about them at this time next year.
Collins' savings would be worth $4M, but obviously that's $4M we don't want to save as he's worth a lot more to us. Is Grant gone? I'm assuming he is. Silverstein basically came out and said the other day that a tag and trade scenario for Finley isn't going to happen. While his word obviously isn't gospel, it tends to look for me that we're not going to get compensation for Flynn. Hopefully he does well and we'll get a comp pick for him in 2013, but it doesn't look like we'll get fair value.
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By the way, this isn't to say that I wouldn't love to get Williams, obviously I would. He will fill a huge need so this wouldn't be signing a FA for the sake of doing so. Just don't think this is something TT would consider.
I would think Jenkins, if cut by the Eagles, would be a lot more realistic and very valuable. If we got him and drafted an OLB in the first, got another corner, and Collins got cleared to return this season, I think we'd be golden.
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No, I agree, but if we're talking about a 15-1 team that was the Super Bowl Champs just a couple years before, can't we sacrifice and go all in for a 3-4 year window and blow a shit load on the best player on the market at by FAR our biggest weakness? It just seems to fucking obvious, and it's the type of thing that every other team in our situation would do. We're so fucking good everywhere but ONE place, pass rushing from the side opposite Matthews, and you can pick up one of the best in the game at doing that? Fuck TT....that could literally be 2-3 Super Bowls. Especially when you consider that it now frees up that 1st rounder for a CB or another DL. "Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
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Yeah I would think that one signing would make our defense so much better. It would allow us to get a lot of pressure from a 4 man rush, and lead to our secondary looking amazing again. Of course, getting Collins back would sure help a ton also. His departure had such a huge impact on our defense this year. He really did cover a lot of holes, and the chances that C.W. and Williams make on possible interceptions really showed with Peprah being in there.
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Well, Houston has said they won't franchise him. He wants to return there, but he has also said he isn't giving them a hometown discount, either. The Texans aren't exactly in great cap shape right now, so if they don't lock him up before he hits the open market, they probably aren't keeping him.
I think it's quite likely that if we did land Williams, we may not be able to afford to keep Wells. That's not ideal, but the way I look at it, our offense is going to continue to be a top offense without Wells. So you do have to look at what personnel are going to make the biggest difference in the overall improvement of your team. In my mind we are still a top offense without Wells -- yes it will hurt, but we can still probably afford Finley at a modest TE tag price. If you get Williams and you also get Collins back, you could literally go from the worst defense in the league back to a top 5 defense. I know that seems like too big of an improvement to expect from only two guys, but we are not that far removed from the top 5 defense of 2010. If you improve the pass rush that immensely by having two major pass rushing threats at OLB, the domino effect it may have on the secondary (amplified by getting Collins back and having two big playmaking safeties), I do think we could expect massive improvement. And there's still the draft. If you get Williams, you don't need to worry about OLB in the draft. You can focus on maybe finding a replacement for Wells, looking for a corner, or perhaps a DE. He would be a fantastic fit, but I guess we'd have to see what interest he has in coming here, too. Some guys just aren't really interested in the cold and lack of night life that they'll have in Green Bay. Of course, when you have a 15-1 team and a real chance at multiple rings, that makes those shortcomings easier to ignore. And with most guys, the best offer they get is going to override those concerns anyway, no matter which team is making the offer.
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I know i am in the minority but i would rather lose Finely then Wells.
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The problem with that is Wells is not a good franchise tag candidate because his tag number is $9.4M compared to $5.4M for Finley, pretty huge difference. So the only real option for keeping Wells instead is to get a long-term deal done.
His agent will surely be looking at Kalil's 6 year, $49M dollar deal and Mangold's 7 year, $55M dollar deal as comparisons. Seeing how Wells is hitting free agency and coming off a Pro Bowl year I would have to think he will be seeking something pretty lucractive. Probably a little less in years since he is a little older but maybe something around 4 years/$30M which is a big risk.
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All true, but offensive line, especially interior with Suh in this division, is vital to our long term success. We have no replacement on the roster right now.. It's not like tackle where we have options.
With TE, we could plug in AQ and Williams and be better off than having a huge hole right up the middle. I say give him a 4 year deal at market price, he is worth it. I've said pretty much all year long, I thought he was the best OL. Bulaga gave him a run for his money and Lang was a beast early in the year, but Wells was great all year long. Accomplishments:
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Random question, but what is Quarless' status for coming back? Don't remember hearing much about it, just remember how gruesome that injury looked and hearing that surgery was necessary. Is he for sure back and ready for preseason? That might change how Finley is looked at as well.
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They said it was pretty nasty.. But with Medicine today, I don't see him missing more then a few weeks to start the season.. Even still, you have DJ Williams, Ryan Taylor and Tom Crabtree. Taylor and Crabtree are not real receiving threats, but the game day roster spot could go to another WR until AQ is in game shape. Remember, we assume Gurley will be on the squad so we won't really miss that 4th TE on special teams. He is big, fast and strong. Accomplishments:
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You're also ignoring the potential impact any draft picks could make. Lets say you add Mario Williams, a big physical DT and Nick Collins as a FA, Draft Pick, and obviously coming back from injury. If Collins can't come back, then it's a Corner we need as Charles Woodson moves to safety and he and Burnett play back there. Woodson isnt' a corner anymore. I also think you're 100 pct accurate with regard to how much Collins covered up. When Williams, Woodson, and even Shields go for a pick and take a chance, you had Collins back there having their back. Without him and with Peprah, you had a huge drop off. Now people are a little too down on Peprah. He's a good backup. Good ballhawk, but he's not an all pro. People expect too much from him. I don't agree that losing Wells is an option however. I LOVE Finley, and you're talking about what addition makes this team better overall. Well it's OBVIOUSLY Mario Williams. What player that we lose though is the biggest loss? Aaron Rodgers. BD is 100 pct right, with the Lions in our division, we need a good interior OL. Fuck, we need a great OL in general, but we have our tackles figured out. If we lose out on Wells, we HAVE to take a center with the first pick. And that means even if Konz or whoever is the best center out there is off the board. You have to draft for need when it's that big of a position. Aaron Rodgers is still the Packers. We might have lost this year because of our defense, but we all know that the ONLY way we have a chance at this dynasty is with Rodgers staying healthy. Ergo, OL BIGGEST point of emphasis. But I believe you can sign Mario Williams and you can keep Wells and Finley. We have a lot of cap space, and it's certainly something that could come back to bite us later on, but as long as the Packers have that giant bank account for signing bonusesses and are making the type of money they're making, they can afford to keep these guys around. Bottom line, BD speculates that we'll have about 46 million. I was under the impression the cap would be about 130+ this year. I also think that Collins and Peprah are back next year. 6 million or so for rookies. 7 million for Wells(I'm thinking give him 3/21 and draft a Center. I don't think Wells is worth 7 over a longer term deal. Give him a Clifton type contract) 5.4 million for Finley. 20 million for Williams. Give him a shitload up front. 8 years 100 million 30 million guaranteed. You'd then owe him 7 years and 80 million after year 1. That's more than affordable. The only problem is then do you have to give Matthews the same contract? Bottom line, Super Mario might be a pipe dream, and frankly he's not a great fit for the 3-4, but we DO need to do SOMETHING in free agency. We need to go after a guy like Flowers or one of the top CB's and or a DT or DL. "Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
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Yeah, you could lose Taylor who's a beast on ST's because Gurley looked so good on ST's in the pre-season. But the bottom line is that you definitely underestimate Finley. You've even agreed the drops were a fluke this year. Sometimes players just seem to go through that type of stretch. Nelson did last year, as did Jones. Jennings has. Finley WILL be back at 5.4 million. That's such a fucking steal, even in your infinite bias against him, you have to realize this. You need to look at what he does for the offense. We were a GREAT offense this past season. What changed from this year to the previous year offensively? Our pass protection was the same. Probably even worse as Clifton had perhaps his best season of his career in our Super Bowl year. WR's were the same, OL the same again save for a downgrade with injuries and Clifton to Newsome, but not huge ones. It was Finley. He's the guy every DC has to worry about first. "Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
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I'm actually probably a little higher on EDS than most people. I think we would be okay with him at C though it would obviously be preferable to have him as a backup.
I do think we'll bring Wells back but I won't be panicking about the O-line situation if we don't.
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No, you're not. I'd rather lose Finley than Wells also, but it's not because I think Wells is as good of a player. Standing alone, it's obviously Finley has more value. But to the Packers, Wells is part of that group of 5 that protects the most valuable player in the NFL. Finley make make our offense go from great to historically great, but Rodgers is obviously THEE most important player in that equation. Absolutely no question about it. "Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
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