I wonder how many times, how many things, how many people that...you know, actually WORK in pro football are going to have to echo some of these same sentiments before our resident, "get off my lawn," crabby old guy starts giving Finley a modicum of respect.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/ ... fl_xxx_xxx

Text to article?

I just watched the first half of the Lions game so far, I saw he had two more drops and single handily killed a drive. Of course you won't acknowledge that he has a serious case of the drops this year though.

His numbers say he is above average, maybe top 5.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=TE

His career numbers don't match up to the hype, not even close. He had 1 big game this year, 2 good games to start the year in 2010 and a nice playoff game in AZ. Other that that, it's been all buzz, limited production.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/886 ... ?year=2010

So because one analyst says COMBINED with Rodgers & Jennings they make up the best QB/WR/TE combo, I'm a crabby old guy for looking at the hard cold facts.

I love Finley, but I gotta be honest, I don't know how you can have those two at #1 and not even have Brees to Graham in the top 5.

dusters wrote:Text to article?

Don't post insider or pay per subscription stuff here. If you want to quote a few of the important lines to help you summarize it thats cool though.

1. Aaron Rodgers to Jermichael Finley

Again, please don't copy and paste subscription content.

Next time summarize it in your own words and if you need to, quote one or two relevant lines to prove your point.

RetardRon wrote:I just watched the first half of the Lions game so far, I saw he had two more drops and single handily killed a drive. Of course you won't acknowledge that he has a serious case of the drops this year though.

His numbers say he is above average, maybe top 5.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=TE

His career numbers don't match up to the hype, not even close. He had 1 big game this year, 2 good games to start the year in 2010 and a nice playoff game in AZ. Other that that, it's been all buzz, limited production.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/886 ... ?year=2010

So because one analyst says COMBINED with Rodgers & Jennings they make up the best QB/WR/TE combo, I'm a crabby old guy for looking at the hard cold facts.

No, you're just getting more and more clueless. On a team with ALL the fucking sensational skill players we have, his numbers aren't going to be as good as they are on other teams.




So one writer has him and Rodgers as the TOUGHEST COMBO IN THE NFL TO GUARD.

Another ratings by the players and by the writers has him as the 30th best player IN THE NFL.



And because "Get out of my yard boy" here decided that the comments a 21 year old KID made as a rookie about not being targeted enough were so bad that he was going to decide he could never like him and make him his whipping boy.


Finley IS just incredible, and what's MOST impressive is his attitude. Not that he said he's alright with being franchised which would be only 5.4 million next year, a pittance for what he'd make on the open market right now, it's in his ACTIONS.

1-All the hype bestowed upon him before he's even truly broken out(lets still keep in mind, he's what, 24?) With Greg Jennings, DD, Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Quarless(who you like and who has talent), our RB's who CAN catch a little bit in Starks who's a good pass catcher and Kuhn who's a solid one. With all the praise and expectations, he hasn't complained about not getting more targets despite it being nearly impossible to target him 1 on 1.

2-Look at his blocking. This should be #1. Nothing, NOTHING should be a bigger sign than this. If this kid was as immature as you claim, his blocking would not have made the insane, monumental jumps it's made. He went from a bad blocker to a GOOD blocker.




Funny you never mention that in your expert mid-week game analysis.

Oh, and it's also funny how you completely ignore how teams basically have to bracket him in order to cover him, thereby opening up the secondary WIDE OPEN for the rest of our WR's. You can't play over the top on Nelson and Jennings(or Jones/Driver/Cobb). You have to pick and choose. And since Jennings is the better player, Nelson is the guy who's benefited the MOST from Finley.

He's seen so much single coverage with teams having to have a LB'er play under Finley and a Safety play over him that Nelson is putting up a huge season.




Of course though, you wouldn't be able to maintain such an asinine position if you continued that argument.

So ignore the impact he has on the rest of the offense simply by teams having to game plan against him, ignore his huge improvements blocking, ignore the good numbers he's putting up despite having the BEST WR'ing core in the NFL.

Fine.

But then ignore what the players in the NFL collectively think(combined with the writers as the poll was players AND writers) and your "MAYBE," top 5 becomes laughable when the players think he's a top 30 player OVERALL.

Finley is single most important aspect of the receiving corps. He's constantly double teamed, because you can't not. Every opposing defense knows it has no choice but to lock up Finley and just pray the receivers don't completely gash them.

And BD, Finley had a "nice" playoff game in AZ? Do you not remember how that game went? He single handedly changed the complexion of that game when they split him out wide on every play. That game was the peak of his powers.

Fan174 wrote:No, you're just getting more and more clueless. On a team with ALL the fucking sensational skill players we have, his numbers aren't going to be as good as they are on other teams.

I guess Colston, Moore and Sprooles are not sensational and thats why Graham puts up those numbers... Right?

Fan174 wrote:Finley IS just incredible, and what's MOST impressive is his attitude.

You have officially lost it. Because his attitude slightly improved this year, its the most impressive thing about him?

Fan174 wrote:2-Look at his blocking. This should be #1. Nothing, NOTHING should be a bigger sign than this. If this kid was as immature as you claim, his blocking would not have made the insane, monumental jumps it's made. He went from a bad blocker to a GOOD blocker.

I'll give you this.. His blocking has been impressive and that's a sign of him maturing and buying into the program, for a lack of a better word. AQ has been even more impressive in blocking, he has surpassed Crabtree IMO.

Scoots0303 wrote:Finley is single most important aspect of the receiving corps. He's constantly double teamed, because you can't not.

This is simply not true.. The past few weeks teams have been playing mostly 2 deep, man under.

The REAL reason he hasnt had the numbers, is because he is dropping too many balls. He has 2 obvious drops and 1 iffy one in Detroit alone.

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Listen, I have said 100's of times, I think he is very good player. HOWEVER, he is not this once in a lifetime TE that some people view him as. Maybe he is having a down year because he is coming off the injury, but the production is not there to put him in the same category as Gates, Sharpe or Gonzo in their prime. Jimmy Graham, he is.

shirt wrote:

dusters wrote:Text to article?

Don't post insider or pay per subscription stuff here. If you want to quote a few of the important lines to help you summarize it thats cool though.

Here is a good link...

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/134936673.html

Scoots0303 wrote:Finley is single most important aspect of the receiving corps. He's constantly double teamed, because you can't not. Every opposing defense knows it has no choice but to lock up Finley and just pray the receivers don't completely gash them.

And BD, Finley had a "nice" playoff game in AZ? Do you not remember how that game went? He single handedly changed the complexion of that game when they split him out wide on every play. That game was the peak of his powers.

I absolutely agree with you 100 pct.


Do I ACTUALLY believe that he's and Rodgers are the best combo in the NFL? No, probably not. Anytime you're throwing to Calvin Johnson, that's tough to beat, even with Rodgers being so much better.

Do I think he's the 30th best player in the NFL? No, I also probably don't agree with that.




But he's a fuckload better player than BrainDed is giving him credit for and it's all because he doesn't fucking like the guy. This shit gets old. He's basically playing the role of Skip Bayless on this one.

RetardRon wrote:I guess Colston, Moore and Sprooles are not sensational and thats why Graham puts up those numbers... Right?

No. Not NEARLY as talented as Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Driver and Cobb. I'll literally take every single one of our WR's over Colston or Moore. Graham is a stud, but I don't think he's better than Finley. Nor do a lot of people. Great talent though. Saw it coming out late last year.


Sproles is a different animal though. Having a career year, but I'm not a huge fan.

RetardRon wrote:You have officially lost it. Because his attitude slightly improved this year, its the most impressive thing about him?

The most impressive thing in his progression I should say. Not that you'll ever admit it because you've already got him in your list of "young punks," but it's obvious.

Again;
1-Saying he'd be happy to accept a 1 year WAY below market value deal because he loves playing in Green Bay. 5.4 million dollars is just an incredible concession on his part. 1 in 100 guys in the NFL in his position would gladly accept something like that.

2-His commitment to blocking. He's turned himself into a very good blocker from being a glorified WR.

3-He is the most difficult guy to cover on this team and he hasn't said shit about not being targeted more.

RetardRon wrote: AQ has been even more impressive in blocking, he has surpassed Crabtree IMO.

I think Crabtree's blocking has been a little overrated. He just fucking blew a few guys up last pre-season and I don't think he's been nearly as stout since. I think Taylor's a better blocker than him, though that again is going off a very few examples.

RetardRon wrote:This is simply not true.. The past few weeks teams have been playing mostly 2 deep, man under.

No....they have not. Not sure where you're getting this shit, but they've been playing with a safety over the top of Finley just as much as they always have.

RetardRon wrote:The REAL reason he hasnt had the numbers, is because he is dropping too many balls. He has 2 obvious drops and 1 iffy one in Detroit alone.

Well, that's just bullshit. I love your nitpicking. Every Packer has dropped balls. Nelson, Jennings, Drivers dropped balls. So you need to get off this shit REAL fucking fast because it's ridiculous given the entire season.

RetardRon wrote:Maybe he is having a down year because he is coming off the injury, but the production is not there to put him in the same category as Gates, Sharpe or Gonzo in their prime. Jimmy Graham, he is.

Or maybe you're the only one who thinks he's "having a down year," because despite your preaching about your game analysis, you're just looking at the stat line. You've conceded he's blocking has been very good, and everyone else who watches this team, and every analyst knows how he dominates defensive game plans.

You would take guys like Cobb and Jones over colston? Come on.

The Great Santo wrote:You would take guys like Cobb and Jones over colston? Come on.

I wouldn't. Jennings is obviously better. Jordy might be, tough to say because he is always getting single coverage with the focus on Jennings/Finley.

I do think Jones/Cobb are clearly better than the Saints 3/4 guys though.

The Great Santo wrote:You would take guys like Cobb and Jones over colston? Come on.

It's really hard to say. Honestly? Yeah, kinda. I think Jones is a better player and Cobb will be.


I think you guys have an amazing passing offense that generates a ton of yards in a dome, and Colston is a nice big target and a very good player, and his stats blow those guys away.


But I think if Jones was Drew Brees top target he could be just as good, and I guess I just shouldn't include Cobb as we haven't seen enough as a WR. More of his general play making ability.


But I think it's an issue of opportunities. Take it as a sign of respect for the Saints offense and Brees(and their OL, guards especially). But I believe that some of the Packers numbers are suppressed by the volume of guys we have. Not an issue that's completely foreign to the Saints by any means, I just don't think it applies nearly as much.


Feel free to disagree as much as you'd like, I respect that, but Jones is better at beating coverages IMO than Colston, Nelson, all our WR's but Jennings. A couple of HUGE drops stand out as giant black marks because of when they've come, ie, in big games we could have completely put away, but all the same, if Nelson went down, I think Jones numbers would be the same if not better.

Fan174 wrote:if Nelson went down, I think Jones numbers would be the same if not better.

LOL!!!!


Oh, and 3 more drops for Finley today. But you're to much of a cunt to admit it.

RetardRon wrote:

Fan174 wrote:if Nelson went down, I think Jones numbers would be the same if not better.

LOL!!!!


Oh, and 3 more drops for Finley today. But you're to much of a cunt to admit it.

Also probably the game winning catch and broken tackle by Finley.

dusters wrote:Also probably the game winning catch and broken tackle by Finley.

IMO Nelson had bigger catches today. That was a nice play on the last drive by Finley, more so just an absolutely perfect throw though.

RetardRon wrote:

dusters wrote:Also probably the game winning catch and broken tackle by Finley.

IMO Nelson had bigger catches today. That was a nice play on the last drive by Finley, more so just an absolutely perfect throw though.

Nelson caught some tough ones, but I think on that drive the finley play was the biggest.