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Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas; DFA DeWitt to make room

Postby l2uff on Feb 6th, 2012, 5:13 pm

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Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [February 6, 2012 at 4:02pm CST]
The Cubs claimed Adrian Cardenas off of waivers from the Athletics, the A's announced. Oakland had designated the infielder for assignment on January 26th.

Cardenas, 24, spent the 2011 season with Oakland's Triple-A affiliate, where he posted a .314/.374/.418 line in 545 plate appearances and played left field, shortstop, second and third. In six minor league seasons, the 2006 draft pick has a .303/.368/.413 batting line.



By Ben Nicholson-Smith [February 6, 2012 at 4:06pm CST]
The Cubs announced that they designated infielder Blake DeWitt for assignment. The move creates 40-man roster space for Adrian Cardenas, who the Cubs claimed from Oakland today.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby l2uff on Feb 6th, 2012, 5:15 pm

I doubt DeWitt clears...
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby l2uff on Feb 6th, 2012, 5:17 pm

Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein
He can hit, but poor secondary skills, no defensive home. RT @A_Kuhn1: @Kevin_Goldstein what's Cardenas' hit tool now? Power?

Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein
Terrifying. RT @JoshHermanPJS: @Kevin_Goldstein So you're saying a Castro/Cardenas double-play combo could be ugly?

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Darwin Barney shouldn't play every day, but he's a wonderful defender and 80 makeup guy. He'll still be in MLB when Cardenas is forgotten.


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Immaterial move. “@schultzmg: @keithlaw Cubs (more/less) swap Blake DeWitt for Adrian Cardenas...good move?”
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby BassmanUW on Feb 6th, 2012, 6:21 pm

I actually kinda bet that DeWitt will clear waivers ($1.1 million contract and a guy whose bat doesn't play at his only decent defensive position isn't worth very much), not that it really matters. They're both fringy guys without the bat to play 3B and the defense to play 2B.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby sedgy145 on Feb 6th, 2012, 6:29 pm

If anything, the Cubs are rolling the dice and trying to shed $1M in payroll. For two fringe players who won't be starting, not a big risk on the Cubs' part.

Funny thing is, didn't the Cubs not want to give up DeWitt to Colorado for Stewart?
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby anotheridiot on Feb 7th, 2012, 11:10 am

not really, if he clears they probably give him a minor league split deal like they gave those pitchers, save a few hundred thousand if he makes the team. if he isnt picked up he would be better off joining hoff in japan.

I dont see much difference with Baker and Dewitt as far as the positions they play, but I dont expect baker around much anyway.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby The Stache on Feb 7th, 2012, 2:03 pm

Interesting. Wonder why the A's let him go. Hes progressed solidly through his minor league career and still only 24.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby tripxcore on Feb 7th, 2012, 6:02 pm

This guy has done nothing but hit everywhere he has been, it seems. I hope he can learn to play defense somewhere.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby tripxcore on Feb 7th, 2012, 6:04 pm

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I find myself wondering if the Cubs think Cardenas is better than DeWitt or just cheaper.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby l2uff on Feb 7th, 2012, 6:42 pm

BassmanUW wrote:I actually kinda bet that DeWitt will clear waivers ($1.1 million contract and a guy whose bat doesn't play at his only decent defensive position isn't worth very much), not that it really matters. They're both fringy guys without the bat to play 3B and the defense to play 2B.



correct me if I am wrong but DFA requires the Cubs to pass him through Irrevocable waivers (if they plan on sending him to a minor league team)... which means if any team claims him, they only owe him major league minimum (and the Cubs owe him the rest).

The Cubs still have to pay DeWitt 1.1M even if he clears waivers and is sent to the minors. The Cubs can also release him, but they'd still owe him 1.1M.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby BassmanUW on Feb 7th, 2012, 10:30 pm

l2uff wrote:
BassmanUW wrote:I actually kinda bet that DeWitt will clear waivers ($1.1 million contract and a guy whose bat doesn't play at his only decent defensive position isn't worth very much), not that it really matters. They're both fringy guys without the bat to play 3B and the defense to play 2B.



correct me if I am wrong but DFA requires the Cubs to pass him through Irrevocable waivers (if they plan on sending him to a minor league team)... which means if any team claims him, they only owe him major league minimum (and the Cubs owe him the rest).

The Cubs still have to pay DeWitt 1.1M even if he clears waivers and is sent to the minors. The Cubs can also release him, but they'd still owe him 1.1M.


I'd need to check the rules, but I think another team picking him up would mean they'd pick up his salary. If the Cubs released him they'd owe him the $1.1 million minus whatever another team signs him for. Again, I'd need to check, but that's my off the top of my head understanding.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby l2uff on Feb 8th, 2012, 9:54 am

Designated for Assignment (MLB)
When a club that has reached it 40 and /or 25 man roster limit, either reinstates a player, or acquires a new player (through a selection, a signing, a trade or a waiver claim); they must designate a player for assignment or release. If they are going to assign the player, they must do it within 10 days.[1]
A player designated for assignment is removed from his club’s 40-man roster and, within the next 10 days, traded, released or, if he clears waivers, assigned to the minor leagues.
A club may not designate a player for assignment if the corresponding transaction is to recall a player on optional assignment. [2]
Post-designation

A player designated for assignment may be traded. A club interested in acquiring a player who has been designated for assignment may try to work out a trade before the player is placed on waivers, eliminating the possibility he might be claimed by a club with a higher waiver claim priority.[3]
A player designated for assignment who clears waivers and is not traded may be released. The player then becomes a free agent.[4]
A club wishing to send a player designated for assignment to the minor leagues must first place him on irrevocable outright waivers, making him available to the other 29 clubs in reverse order of won-lost record.[5]
If the player is claimed, he is lost to the claiming team for $20,000. (Irrevocable waivers may not be reversed.) The claiming team pays the player the major-league minimum salary for the rest of the season, and the original club is responsible for the balance of his contract.[6]


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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby BassmanUW on Feb 8th, 2012, 11:34 am

l2uff wrote:
Designated for Assignment (MLB)
When a club that has reached it 40 and /or 25 man roster limit, either reinstates a player, or acquires a new player (through a selection, a signing, a trade or a waiver claim); they must designate a player for assignment or release. If they are going to assign the player, they must do it within 10 days.[1]
A player designated for assignment is removed from his club’s 40-man roster and, within the next 10 days, traded, released or, if he clears waivers, assigned to the minor leagues.
A club may not designate a player for assignment if the corresponding transaction is to recall a player on optional assignment. [2]
Post-designation

A player designated for assignment may be traded. A club interested in acquiring a player who has been designated for assignment may try to work out a trade before the player is placed on waivers, eliminating the possibility he might be claimed by a club with a higher waiver claim priority.[3]
A player designated for assignment who clears waivers and is not traded may be released. The player then becomes a free agent.[4]
A club wishing to send a player designated for assignment to the minor leagues must first place him on irrevocable outright waivers, making him available to the other 29 clubs in reverse order of won-lost record.[5]
If the player is claimed, he is lost to the claiming team for $20,000. (Irrevocable waivers may not be reversed.) The claiming team pays the player the major-league minimum salary for the rest of the season, and the original club is responsible for the balance of his contract.[6]


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Well there we go. Thanks for checking into that.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas & DFA DeWitt to make space

Postby The Stache on Feb 18th, 2012, 4:19 am

Looks like DeWitt cleared waivers. Out righted to Iowa.

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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas; DFA DeWitt to make room

Postby l2uff on Feb 18th, 2012, 9:51 am

DeWitt can become a FA, they were still waiting on that decision from him as of yesterday i think...
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas; DFA DeWitt to make room

Postby cubbiefan009 on Feb 18th, 2012, 10:39 am

l2uff wrote:DeWitt can become a FA, they were still waiting on that decision from him as of yesterday i think...


Yeah,

DeWitt will either go into Free Agency or the Cubs will invite him as a non-roster to Spring Training.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas; DFA DeWitt to make room

Postby chiguy79 on Feb 18th, 2012, 5:15 pm

Honestly surprised he cleared waivers. I know he's no stud or anything but I figured someone would be willing to take a chance on him at league minimum.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas; DFA DeWitt to make room

Postby Old Style on Feb 20th, 2012, 12:22 pm

chiguy79 wrote:Honestly surprised he cleared waivers. I know he's no stud or anything but I figured someone would be willing to take a chance on him at league minimum.


I'm surprised too, he's still pretty young.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas; DFA DeWitt to make room

Postby The Stache on Feb 20th, 2012, 2:07 pm

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Blake DeWitt accepted assignment and will be in #Cubs camp as non-roster player.
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Re: Cubs Claim Adrian Cardenas; DFA DeWitt to make room

Postby anotheridiot on Feb 20th, 2012, 3:03 pm

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/po ... ll-compete

Taking him on waivers would have forced the teams to pay his 1.1 million though wouldnt it have?

best case he makes the team, worst case he goes to AAA and makes money. It would be interesting and I would consider it a win if he beats out Cardenas for the last utility job with a strong spring. DeWiTT can play third, first, second and a little left field. I doubt Baker returns to ripping the cover off the lefties and would rather have DeWitt in that role.
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