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"Conventional Wisdom"

Postby Indianplaya17 on Jan 13th, 2012, 12:27 am

CHICAGO -- "They boo people at Cubs Convention?"

That was a question posed to me by one of Alfonso Soriano's friends after I surmised that Soriano will probably get booed at Cubs Convention on Friday night. Yes, fans occasionally boo during the convention's star-studded opening ceremonies in the big ballroom at the Hilton. Though as far as I can remember, the fans' ire has mostly been directed at managers (Dusty Baker got it in 2006), pitching coaches (Larry Rothschild heard it several times) and management types like Jim Hendry and Crane Kenney (last year).

But if I had to guess which players, if any, would get booed this season, Soriano would be at the top of my list. In fact, he'd very likely be the only one.

There's no Hendry to heckle, and Kenney, the team president of business whatever, would be wise to enter the room alongside new baseball president Theo Epstein, who will get treated like a rock star more on that night than during his charity concert Saturday night in Boston.

I like to think of the Cubs Convention as the largest gathering of tucked-in Greg Maddux jerseys, but it's also a great place to take the pulse of the die-hard fans who keep the Cubs profitable and Wrigley Field packed, year after year.

While the arrival of Epstein pumped up the base, the Cubs are going to suffer once again on the field in 2012. This team isn't built to compete in a championship way. Everyone knows this, but the new front office is left to promote its foundation for sustained success, because hope, once again, is all Cubs fans have. At least this time, there is some heft behind it.

Cubs tickets are still expensive, despite three straight down years, with minimal reductions scattered across the schedule. If you want to see a Saturday game from the bleachers from mid-May to mid-August, it will cost you $85.12 a ticket. I guess the Cubs Convention crowd is a bad place to look for spendthrifts, though. Tickets cost $65; a steep price to hear Carl Rice speak.

Is Theo enough to spark some fans' fading light? All he's done so far is sign middling to slightly promising veterans to fill the gaping holes. That's not an indictment, just the facts. One contract he's expected to shed is Soriano, who is owed $54 million over the next three seasons.

Soriano, who just turned 36, is a dinosaur on this team. Or perhaps a better term would be a ghost. He represents the team's failure to break the hexes, jinxes and self-made roadblocks through wild spending. I've always liked Soriano, and I think he should be kept around this year, if only to give the team a legitimate power bat. He could still be a very useful designated hitter.

Soriano wasn't originally scheduled to be at the Cubs Convention, but he was in town with family, so it worked out. He'll even sign some autographs Saturday, after Epstein deftly handles questions about getting rid of him.

Epstein, who has to take off after taking part in what promises to be a fawning/nerd-centric panel, will get a chance to talk to Soriano for the first time Friday, if he hasn't already this week.

Epstein and general manager Jed Hoyer, hadn't been able to connect with their high-priced slugger previously. I guess that means Soriano wasn't included on Epstein's listening tour before he got rid of Carlos Zambrano.

Soriano will be fine with whatever response he gets. I'm curious to see the reaction to Starlin Castro's presence at the convention, and in turn, how Castro handles the unwanted attention from his legal situation.

A couple days ago, I asked a Cubs employee if Castro was still coming and the employee wondered why I'd even wonder about it.

Hey, it's not like he's been in the news for anything negative.

Castro has been accused of, though not charged with, sexual assault, stemming from a late September incident. According to ESPNChicago.com sources, Chicago police could speak with Castro this weekend. Castro's attorneys have stridently denied the charges and the Cubs have said all the right things in response to the questions they can't answer.

Since I don't know what happened, and all we have is a vague police report to go off of, I can't say much about this story, but he's innocent until proven guilty.

As a reporter, I'm all for transparency and facing the question-firing squad. I love the interesting story.

But I don't get why the team is teeing up the young All-Star for a media inquiry on Friday night. If the Cubs try to hide him, and Castro doesn't talk to the media at the convention, he will look like he's hiding something. I guess the same goes for keeping him away from the event as well. I just wonder if this is a good idea.

There's no reason for Castro to come, unless the team really wants the 22-year-old All-Star to take all the tough questions now, rather than the first day of spring training. And is it good marketing to remind fans your best player is also being accused of a crime?

The good news for the Cubs is that fans have short and highly selective memories. And Castro is the only player to get excited about, because he represents the future.

With the exodus of Aramis Ramirez, Sean Marshall and Carlos Pena, there is every reason to believe this team will be just as bad, if not worse, than last year's 71-91 team. I believe Dale Sveum will be a better manager than Mike Quade and Chris Bosio a better pitching coach than Mark Riggins, but I'm just not seeing the Cubs having the horses to compete in the NL Central.

That's fine. This is a rebuilding year, no one expects too much. Epstein and Hoyer have a track record of success, and even the cynics like me are confident in the new leadership of the team.

I never stay long for Cubs Convention, but I'm eager to gauge the mood of the fans. Who will they boo and why will they pay money to watch this team?

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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby The Stache on Jan 14th, 2012, 3:41 pm

Some pictures from the convention

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Stewart
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Theo and Len in a Q&A
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Dejesus and Barney
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby l2uff on Jan 14th, 2012, 4:44 pm

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#Cubs announce new patio deck in RF bleachers at Wrigley. Will add 70-foot LED board
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby The Stache on Jan 14th, 2012, 5:33 pm

Sweet
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby Indianplaya17 on Jan 14th, 2012, 6:22 pm

No! Dislike. I want the Cubs to keep the traditional, old fashion look. Wrigley Field is what its because it's not a modern ballpark like the others. Thats the beauty of it. Now a 70-ft board will be an obstruction and block a gorgeous view.
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby Goathater1328 on Jan 14th, 2012, 6:35 pm

IP, Wrigley needs to be modernized. If they can put seats in the monster at Fenway we can put a patio in RF.
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby sedgy145 on Jan 14th, 2012, 6:38 pm

No I want to take advantage of everything that is the 21st century. Wrigley Field will always have its mystique due to the bleachers, scoreboard, ivy wall, basket on top of the wall, exterior marquee, and the neighborhood. This is a move that reminds me of Fenway Park's patio area (Cubs using up to all the space they can feasibly use). I am confident it will look nice and this does also add a revenue stream.

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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby sedgy145 on Jan 14th, 2012, 6:39 pm

Goathater1328 wrote:IP, Wrigley needs to be modernized. If they can put seats in the monster at Fenway we can put a patio in RF.


Wow. Very logical and sound thought. I'm very impressed not by the fact you simply thought it, but that you put that thought on paper (well, typed in this case).
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby The Stache on Jan 14th, 2012, 6:58 pm

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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby The Stache on Jan 14th, 2012, 6:58 pm

No obstruction at all. The seats will be elevated it looks like from this pic
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby Indianplaya17 on Jan 14th, 2012, 7:00 pm

Hmmmm...interesting. I dont know. I don't like changes to Wrigley Field, personally. Is this supposed to completed by the Home Opener?
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby Indianplaya17 on Jan 14th, 2012, 7:11 pm

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Looks like hitting HRs to RF will be a challenge now. :lol:
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby Goathater1328 on Jan 14th, 2012, 7:32 pm

I'd imagine so, this doesn't seem like something that would take 3 months. I definitely hope so I'd like to see any sort of visual difference in the ballpark to let me know good days are ahead and that upper management is finally getting this team out of the 20th century. Both in the way they are rebuilding the on-field product and the fact that they can make a 98-year old ballpark look modern without havin to blow it up and take away everything that says we're the Cubs.
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby sedgy145 on Jan 14th, 2012, 7:36 pm

Very Fenway Park-esque. It looks the green monster...but in RF.
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby sedgy145 on Jan 14th, 2012, 7:38 pm

HR line will still be the same, so not any tougher. I wonder how, if any, this will affect wind.
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby Indianplaya17 on Jan 14th, 2012, 7:41 pm

sedgy145 wrote:HR line will still be the same, so not any tougher. I wonder how, if any, this will affect wind.


Rizzo will have a tough time getting it onto Sheffield though. :D

I think all these so-called "improvements" is to gear up for the 2014 All-Star weekend.
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby SymposiumX on Jan 15th, 2012, 12:12 am

I hate that Monstrosity! Wrigley needs to go back to no lights, no cameras, hell..the umpires need to get off the field and back into their rocking chairs. This is a travesty!!





On a side note....this is fucking great! I love the looks of it and think it is a tasteful way to bring Wrigley into the modern age of baseball.
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby Indianplaya17 on Jan 15th, 2012, 12:54 am

Cubs unveil Budweiser Patio
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A dramatically-overhauled roster won't be the only fresh look at Wrigley Field next season.

The Cubs announced plans to reconfigure the right-field bleachers by elevating seating in the newly-constructed Budweiser Patio section. The new design was revealed on Saturday at the team's annual fan convention.

"We're thrilled to expand our partnership with Budweiser and offer our fans an exciting new experience in the right field Budweiser Bleacher section at Wrigley Field," said Wally Hayward, the Cubs' executive vice president, chief sales and marketing officer, Chicago Cubs. "The Budweiser Patio will provide our fans with a rooftop experience inside the ballpark and more baseball content during the game on our new 75-foot LED board."

The section will hold up to 150 fans and won't require an actual addition to the stadium. Standing room only and seated tickets will come with an all-inclusive food and beverage package.

"We are still formulating the plan as to how the section would be sold and the pricing," said Crane Kenney, the team's president of business operations. "I think it will be a great section for groups because you're going to be able to aggregate seats. What we are finding about our suites and other areas is that people want to circulate. You see it on the rooftops and that's what was kind of generated this. We are still working on whether it will be sold to groups or individuals.

Kenney said the Cubs' plan for the Budweiser Patio wasn't inspired by the seats the Boston Red Sox installed on top of Fenway Park's famed Green Monster in 2003.

"No not at all," Kenney said when asked if the plan was similar to seats on top of the Green Monster. "I get that question asked all the time. Why isn't that section full even though the rest of the bleachers are full? So we've done some research into that as to why and one of the issues is that there's some obstruction. So if you sit in the very center field section of that section, you're blocked from seeing the center-fielder. So we're trying to alleviate the obstruction there. In one of the ways to do that is to raise the seats up. So you're not looking over the well and the way the well cuts in there. So that depression there creates the obstructed view. So the elevate on was really generated by trying to avoid obstructed views."

The team expects the renovation to be done in advance of Opening Day 2012.

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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby wegotwood on Jan 15th, 2012, 9:53 am

I'm torn on this. On one hand, one of the things that I love about Wrigley is that they don't offer all the bullshit stuff to keep idiot fans focused (the game where the ball is under the 3 hats and they switch around, for example). Also, I loved the classic look of Wrigley and don't like that the bleacher section (at least RF) won't look like that anymore.

On the other hand, it's another source of revenue to put back into the team. It's more modern, and now (hopefully) we can see instant replays on the screen. I NEVER sit in the bleachers because most of the people out there are just idiot frat boys who don't pay attention to the game, but now I would consider sitting in this part of RF because of the all you can eat and drink inclusion. It doesn't remind me of the green monster at all (I think this comparison comes from Theo being here and nothing else). It reminds me more of Pittsburgh.
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Re: "Conventional Wisdom"

Postby Goathater1328 on Jan 15th, 2012, 12:07 pm

Couldn't see it from my mobile which is where I post from most times anymore but now that I have seen it I LOVE it! Ip, to address your concern about hitting HR to RF now, That's just a 3-D image of what it'll look like in reality imagine it flat and that's what the fan and hitter will see. The scoreboard looks like it will be between the basket and this patio deck so you don't have to hit the ball over it.

I know I'm going to get roasted for this, but if I don't bring it up someone else will. Can you imagine if we had this AND replay at Wrigley on that fateful october night? Let's just say there would be no more curse and I'll leave it at that.
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