Could this be a good time to make a trade with the Angels for Marmol? Looks like they are a little light on the farm, but with cj, puj, Trout, they should be fine.

They have some pitchers: Richards, Hellweg, Wood (yes, more Wood). Segura ss/2b could be interesting. Reading up on him, he has had some hamstring issues, but could be a solid 2b with multiple tools, good bat.

3b/ss/2b/1b of Baez, Castro, Segura, Rizzo. That would be one young and exciting infield quad.

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I personally think it's more likely the Brewers swing a deal with the Angels and K-Rod goes back to LA than the Cubs deal Marmol.

I think Carlos needs to come back next year with his command back. Teams that are so committed aren't going to want to risk a guy who may lose his job. Especially when they've got such a talented option in place.


I'm curious why they'd be looking for a closer. You'd think they'd be more in the market for ane lite SU man.


Which...in that case, I could take back what I said about Marmol and he'd be perfect for them. Just wondering, did Walden get hurt at the end of the year, or are there any concerns regarding him?

Good question, Fan. I haven't read or heard of any injuries to Walden, but I do know that he blew about a dozen saves last season. The only thing I can speculate on is that the Angels want to acquire another CL and maybe have the two (Walden and whomever) compete for the role...the loser taking SU.

Sell high on Marmol. I'd do it. Cubs aren't going anywhere for 3-5 years, we've established that. We won't have a need for a closer like Marmol. By the time we start competing, Marmol will be 32-34. How good will he still be at that point? He can probably fetch us some nice prospects.

Indianplaya17 wrote:Sell high on Marmol. I'd do it. Cubs aren't going anywhere for 3-5 years, we've established that. We won't have a need for a closer like Marmol. By the time we start competing, Marmol will be 32-34. How good will he still be at that point? He can probably fetch us some nice prospects.

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Goathater1328 wrote:

Indianplaya17 wrote:Sell high on Marmol. I'd do it. Cubs aren't going anywhere for 3-5 years, we've established that. We won't have a need for a closer like Marmol. By the time we start competing, Marmol will be 32-34. How good will he still be at that point? He can probably fetch us some nice prospects.

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Goathater1328 wrote:

Indianplaya17 wrote:Sell high on Marmol. I'd do it. Cubs aren't going anywhere for 3-5 years, we've established that. We won't have a need for a closer like Marmol. By the time we start competing, Marmol will be 32-34. How good will he still be at that point? He can probably fetch us some nice prospects.

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Indianplaya17 wrote:

SymposiumX wrote:

Goathater1328 wrote:

Indianplaya17 wrote:Sell high on Marmol. I'd do it. Cubs aren't going anywhere for 3-5 years, we've established that. We won't have a need for a closer like Marmol. By the time we start competing, Marmol will be 32-34. How good will he still be at that point? He can probably fetch us some nice prospects.

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Thanks ^5 man (that means high five btw lol)

Aw...thanks. Had to keep up with your young guys' acronyms.

Indianplaya17 wrote:Sell high on Marmol. I'd do it. Cubs aren't going anywhere for 3-5 years, we've established that. We won't have a need for a closer like Marmol. By the time we start competing, Marmol will be 32-34. How good will he still be at that point? He can probably fetch us some nice prospects.

I get trading him, but how is he possibly more valuable now? How is he a sell high candidate?

SymposiumX wrote:Aw...thanks. Had to keep up with your young guys' acronyms.

I'm with you. Grownup's talk like grownup's. When you're talking with children....this is what you get.


And only Goat would agree that you'd be selling high on Marmol after last year was significantly-significantly worse than the last two years.

Marmol is at a sell lowish point right now. Last year was one of his worse in recent years. If anything you DON'T trade him yet...you hope he gets back to his filthy ways without blowing too many saves, and trade him to a team willing to give up some nice prospects for a CL/SU.

To sell high on Marmol you'd have to go back in time to before the Cubs signed him to a contract extension.

SymposiumX wrote:Aw...thanks. Had to keep up with your young guys' acronyms.

I can barely understand at least half of my FB feed anymore.

SymposiumX wrote:Marmol is at a sell lowish point right now. Last year was one of his worse in recent years. If anything you DON'T trade him yet...you hope he gets back to his filthy ways without blowing too many saves, and trade him to a team willing to give up some nice prospects for a CL/SU.

He could very well drop in value too. If we use him as a closer and he doesn't get many opportunities to close because our team is garbage thats going to hurt his value. Sure, he'll still get playing time and come in certain situations even if its not a save situation but still.

Teams know what he's capable of, they know what kind of "stuff" he has. A good pitching coach can work with him and get his kinks out and make him a very, very good closer or setup man.

What good is Marmol going to be for the next 3-5 years when we're not even contending. That would be wasted talent.

Boozer1011 wrote:To sell high on Marmol you'd have to go back in time to before the Cubs signed him to a contract extension.

Carlos Marmol signed a 3 yrs, $20M contract in 2011.

2011: $3.2M
2012: $7M
2013: $9.8M

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compe ... age_id=140

Yeah, that definitely hurts if your trying to trade him at a high value.

Marmol had his blown saves sure, but there is still intrigue in him, why? Because when he has stuggled it hasn't been because people figured out how to hit him, it simply is because he lost the strike zone.

Am I saying that he is at a high point....no.....BUT remember when former closers ie Dempster, Gregg struggled they got hit and hit HARD. You never had that confidence that they could get out of a jam. Whereas with Marmol it was still a 50/50 feeling that you had that at least he could wiggle out of it because you just knew the odds where slim that the hitter would make contact.

So the point is, we obviously aren't going to get a max return on him after last year, BUT his ceiling is still high and his floor is moderate just due to the ability to miss bats. He'd get us more than a struggling CL like our previous closers mentioned if we had traded them.

Oh yeah should I say.....

^5 - >5 - _5 you're too slow!

(BTW, that's High Five - to the side - Down Low you're too slow!

Fan174 wrote:

Indianplaya17 wrote:Sell high on Marmol. I'd do it. Cubs aren't going anywhere for 3-5 years, we've established that. We won't have a need for a closer like Marmol. By the time we start competing, Marmol will be 32-34. How good will he still be at that point? He can probably fetch us some nice prospects.

I get trading him, but how is he possibly more valuable now? How is he a sell high candidate?

He's probably not. However, I'm sure you can still get pretty good return for him. Maybe this is the highest his value will be in the next 3-5 years, especially with the Cubs being nowhere close in that time frame.

His opportunities to save will go down the worse we get.

icb1977 wrote:Marmol had his blown saves sure, but there is still intrigue in him, why? Because when he has stuggled it hasn't been because people figured out how to hit him, it simply is because he lost the strike zone.

Am I saying that he is at a high point....no.....BUT remember when former closers ie Dempster, Gregg struggled they got hit and hit HARD. You never had that confidence that they could get out of a jam. Whereas with Marmol it was still a 50/50 feeling that you had that at least he could wiggle out of it because you just knew the odds where slim that the hitter would make contact.

So the point is, we obviously aren't going to get a max return on him after last year, BUT his ceiling is still high and his floor is moderate just due to the ability to miss bats. He'd get us more than a struggling CL like our previous closers mentioned if we had traded them.

Agreed. You bring up a good point. Marmol's struggles have been not finding the strikezone, not the batter lighting him up and knocking him around. That can be corrected with a good pitching coach.