Unfortunately Wisconsin does not control their own destiny. This is a fact and is largely due to a relatively weak schedule compared to the other top six teams excluding Boise State. Not necessarily their fault but it is what it is.

Here's what I think needs to happen.

1) Win out

2) Hope the winner of the Oklahoma-Oklahoma St game has at least 1 loss. An undefeated Big 12 team will almost certainly make it over an undefeated Big Ten team.

3) Hope the loser of the LSU-Alabama game falls behind them in BCS rankings. It's almost a lock the winner of this game will be in the national championship. I think an undefeated Wisconsin team would be ranked ahead of the loser, but who knows with this system.

4) Hope this isn't the year they give Boise State respect. I doubt they get above #4 given all the big conference teams threatening to run the table.

5) Stanford: Does an undefeated Stanford team rank ahead of an undefeated Wisconsin team? I don't think so, but still something to watch.

They need Oklahoma to lose. Otherwise, Alabama/LSU winner vs. Oklahoma.

Boise St. also deserves their shot already. How many more big conference teams do they need to beat?

cubbiefan009 wrote:They need Oklahoma to lose. Otherwise, Alabama/LSU winner vs. Oklahoma.

Boise St. also deserves their shot already. How many more big conference teams do they need to beat?

What if an undefeated Oklahoma St team beats Oklahoma? I think OSU would have the upper hand on Wisconsin.

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Boise St can hang with the big boys, no doubt, but they need to join a legit conference before they have a realistic national championship argument.

cubbiefan009 wrote:They need Oklahoma to lose. Otherwise, Alabama/LSU winner vs. Oklahoma.

Boise St. also deserves their shot already. How many more big conference teams do they need to beat?

more than one ranked team a year. im sorry but the WAC was terrible, and moving to the MWC did not help. had the MWC been able to hold onto BYU, Utah, and TCU, then you are looking at that conference possibly replacing the Big East as an automatic qualifier by adding Boise State.

fact is boise has been been to 2 BCS games, they upset oklahoma with a shit tone of trickery, then got worked over by tcu's defense in another game. boise just doesn't face worthy teams on a constant basis.

2011:

@ #19 Georgia - Won 35-21

2010:

@ #10 Virginia Tech - Won 33-30
Vs. #24 Oregon St. - Won 37-24
@ #19 Nevada - Lost 34-31 (OT)
Vs. #19 Utah - Won 26-3

2009:

Vs. #16 Oregon - Won 19-8
Vs. #4 TCU - Won 17-10

2008:

@ #17 Oregon - Won 37-32
Vs. #11 TCU - Lost 17-16

Then of course they beat Oklahoma like 5 years ago and probably a few more but that's going further back. I'm just trying to say why are they going to be ranked so high if they aren't going to get a chance?

TonyPee wrote:

cubbiefan009 wrote:They need Oklahoma to lose. Otherwise, Alabama/LSU winner vs. Oklahoma.

Boise St. also deserves their shot already. How many more big conference teams do they need to beat?

What if an undefeated Oklahoma St team beats Oklahoma? I think OSU would have the upper hand on Wisconsin.

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Boise St can hang with the big boys, no doubt, but they need to join a legit conference before they have a realistic national championship argument.

Very possible for Ok St. But didn't the Big 12 drop the conf. champ game? If so, no shot over Wisconsin who now has a conf. champ game. I think Oklahoma would have trouble as well considering that.

cubbiefan009 wrote:Very possible for Ok St. But didn't the Big 12 drop the conf. champ game? If so, no shot over Wisconsin who now has a conf. champ game. I think Oklahoma would have trouble as well considering that.

They had to with only 10 teams, need 12 to have the championship game.

I think they hold off an unbeaten Oklahoma State, but don't pass an unbeaten Oklahoma. And I don't think Stanford passes them either, as the Pac-12 isn't looking much better than the Big 10, and the 2nd best team (Oregon) is in their division. Not too worried about Boise.

So I think it comes down to Wisconsin or Oklahoma versus the SEC champ (assuming it's Alabama or LSU). If Oklahoma wins out, they make it. If not, Wisconsin.

SEC champ vs. Oklahoma for title.

And an undefeated Stanford faces an undefeated Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.

Winning teams of those two games gets in a bus, and races across the country, collecting hidden treasures. First team to collect all 12 gets a first-place vote in the Harris Poll.

RyGuy wrote:Winning teams of those two games gets in a bus, and races across the country, collecting hidden treasures. First team to collect all 12 gets a first-place vote in the Harris Poll.

sounds like a great reality show.

Wisconsin ranks higher than an undefeated Stanford team and undefeated Oklahoma St. team. The strength of schedule is worrisome, but the computer rankings will reflect just how dominant Wisconsin has been over each opponent. Two scenarios that will be best for Wisconsin in Big Ten play (one better than the other):

1) Illinois is a top 10 team on November 19th. Wisconsin has the power to absolutely steamroll Illinois in Champaign. Dominating performance against a top 10 team on the road? That's pretty impressive....even if it's just Illinois.
2) Michigan beats Illinois the week prior to ILL-UW, runs the table, and both teams are undefeated heading into the Big Ten championship game. Based on where Michigan is currently ranked, they easily could be top 7 or 8, right behind Wisconsin, and any victory could catapult Wisconsin. Ideally, the Michigan-Illinois game would have been after ILL-UW because if Michigan beats Illinois, the Illini certainly will drop out of a possible top 10 ranking and perhaps closer to 20 or so when they welcome the Badgers. This scenario, imo, is better for Wisconsin. Voters easily will think more highly of a victory against an undefeated Michigan team (in a conference title game, for that matter) over an undefeated Illinois team.

Either way, Wisconsin needs Illinois or Michigan to be undefeated on November 19th or December 3rd, respectively. Every game in between, including at #23 Michigan State, should be and will be pure domination at the hands of UW. They're going to need some help, though. The winner of LSU-Alabama needs to lose in the SEC Championship game, Oklahoma needs to lose to Oklahoma St., and Illinois/Michigan both need to keep winning (Penn St., too, to a lesser extent -- I mean, come on, they're 5-1 and about to crack the rankings).

Wisconsin/Standford in the Rose Bowl is my predection.

I agree, sedgy. Ultimately I think that's what it'll come down to, but I'm not so sure that an undefeated Oklahoma St team ranks lower than UW.

I was watching ESPN the other day and they showed the simulated BCS standings using the polls that the BCS uses.... Something like 90% of the polls that the BCS uses are already released. The top five was LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St and Boise State. Wisconsin was 6 or 7. The computers are way down on the Big Ten as of now.

But Wisconsin vs Standford would be a heck of a Rose Bowl.

TonyPee wrote:I agree, sedgy. Ultimately I think that's what it'll come down to, but I'm not so sure that an undefeated Oklahoma St team ranks lower than UW.

I was watching ESPN the other day and they showed the simulated BCS standings using the polls that the BCS uses.... Something like 90% of the polls that the BCS uses are already released. The top five was LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St and Boise State. Wisconsin was 6 or 7. The computers are way down on the Big Ten as of now.

But Wisconsin vs Standford would be a heck of a Rose Bowl.

It would be a heck of a Rose Bowl, but another reason why a playoff system is necessary. Each of the two undefeated teams (Wisconsin/Stanford) could beat Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Boise St., and each other. For the first time, I truly believe we will have more undefeated teams (and maybe a one-loss team ranked over undefeated teams) after conference championship week than ever before. But only two get to play for the national title? Individual opinions will affect a dominant team like Wisconsin, because they play in the Big Ten? I'm spinning wheels on the theory of all of us, but I hope there is an outcry for a playoff after this year.

sedgy145 wrote:

TonyPee wrote:I agree, sedgy. Ultimately I think that's what it'll come down to, but I'm not so sure that an undefeated Oklahoma St team ranks lower than UW.

I was watching ESPN the other day and they showed the simulated BCS standings using the polls that the BCS uses.... Something like 90% of the polls that the BCS uses are already released. The top five was LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St and Boise State. Wisconsin was 6 or 7. The computers are way down on the Big Ten as of now.

But Wisconsin vs Standford would be a heck of a Rose Bowl.

It would be a heck of a Rose Bowl, but another reason why a playoff system is necessary. Each of the two undefeated teams (Wisconsin/Stanford) could beat Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Boise St., and each other. For the first time, I truly believe we will have more undefeated teams (and maybe a one-loss team ranked over undefeated teams) after conference championship week than ever before. But only two get to play for the national title? Individual opinions will affect a dominant team like Wisconsin, because they play in the Big Ten? I'm spinning wheels on the theory of all of us, but I hope there is an outcry for a playoff after this year.

That's what a lot of the anti-BCS guys are hoping for this year. That Stanford, Oklahoma/Oklahoma State, Boise State all stay undefeated. Then would be interesting if the Bama/LSU winner loses one more game, but wins the conference championship game, would they possibly get in over an undefeated Big 10/Big 12/Pac 12 team. If all those things happened, their would be a lot more pressure to implement a new system than there had been in past years.

Maybe it's because I am a big supporter of any Big Ten team not playing Illinois, but I think Wisconsin would have the most beef for not making the title game if undefeated. I wish Wisconsin got to play LSU, Alabama, or Oklahoma this year in the beginning of the season. Wisconsin has a Heisman front runner and the team is just dominant. It would be fun to see Wisconsin play the likes of an SEC team or Oklahoma.

The fact that this thread exists, and that these discussions are taking place, is tragic. It's an abomination. How about you just install a simple 8 team playoff and end these shenanigans. It's incomprehensible that it's almost 2012 and this is the kind of discussion you have in college football.

Scoots0303 wrote:The fact that this thread exists, and that these discussions are taking place, is tragic. It's an abomination. How about you just install a simple 8 team playoff and end these shenanigans. It's incomprehensible that it's almost 2012 and this is the kind of discussion you have in college football.

Well, the total failure of the "playoff" in college basketball probably doesn't help. When was the last time anyone cared about that?

BB needs to show no mercy and run up the score whenever possible. Any thing that would help, he needs to do it.

Send some flowers and a copy of the BCS algorithm to the opposing coach after the game.

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Christ.